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Image in US irritates Saudis
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 12/11/01 | Nicole Gaouette

Posted on 12/10/2001 7:23:36 PM PST by technochick99

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To: Cicero
The smartest thing the world could do is depopulate the Middle East and like Ann Colter says, take over.
21 posted on 12/10/2001 8:54:57 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: technochick99
Let the liberals trust the Islamics, but conservatives know reality. Let the greening of Arabia begin, glass that is.
22 posted on 12/10/2001 10:11:44 PM PST by hsszionist
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To: technochick99

Here he is: Osama Bean Laden

-ccm

23 posted on 12/10/2001 10:52:14 PM PST by ccmay
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To: Alouette
I got money that says watch the American-Jordanian-Israeli relationship. It is changing very subtley as we type. Watch. The Saudis are a tad nervous, especially if we declare them a terrorist state and freeze their assets here.
24 posted on 12/11/2001 1:36:59 AM PST by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: technochick99
I wish the Saudis dealt with the hate they foment themselves in their own nation. Christians are in jail in Saudi arabia for practicing, damn it.

Subversion of my right to express my anger through a PC campaign or with suicide airliners is no different. The media and the Saudis better cut that out, their actions fall on the total war against America and are illegal.

26 posted on 12/11/2001 2:04:42 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: skull stomper
I wonder if they get the "Christian Science Monitor" in Saudi Arabia. Probably banned just because of the title.
27 posted on 12/11/2001 2:26:38 AM PST by gridlock
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To: gridlock
I think the Saudis are mounting a little PR counter-attack in light of reports that there is a "Mystery Sheikh" in the latest Osama-Rama Video. When people see Osama kow-towing to his Saudi master on video, I think that US/Saudi relations will get even more, shall we say, strained.

Anybody who thinks that we don't know the identity of the "Mystery Sheikh" should think again. We would be revealing a lot by displaying this video, but we don't have to show our hole card just yet.

28 posted on 12/11/2001 2:30:48 AM PST by gridlock
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To: NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
Rudy to Prince: You can go **** yourself!
30 posted on 12/11/2001 3:57:41 AM PST by Alouette
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To: technochick99
"In practice, it balances between public sentiment and a very real need to maintain smooth US ties and a US military presence."

Like that base we built that they won't allow us to use?

I got your 'military presence' right here.

The plain facts are: these people are not our friends or allies. They support terrorism. And they should be on the short list. I, for one, would like to see a few infidels urinate on the Ka Baa and maybe reduce Medina to ashes.

--Boris

31 posted on 12/11/2001 4:13:19 AM PST by boris
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To: Shermy
Thanks for the the article.

Saudi Arabia is a nation founded on opression and intolerence.

32 posted on 12/11/2001 4:22:21 AM PST by SJackson
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To: white trash redneck
Big time...
33 posted on 12/11/2001 4:23:56 AM PST by technochick99
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To: Shermy
Muslims should spend more time fixing their own house. The perception thing will then take care of itself. This Christian Science Monitor article does nothing to dispell the perception that the Muslim world resents the US, because it has hard earned power. That's what all this nonsense is about. Islam is a religion of oppression and dominance and America is not allowing it to do its thing worldwide. Tough luck. In general, Americans don't give a rats a** about Muslims criticism about the US. It's not very well informed and it always seems to be hinting at tacit approval of blowing apart people in skyscrapers. Animalistic.
34 posted on 12/11/2001 4:37:50 AM PST by No Left Turn
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To: technochick99
"People are really aware that the US can do what it wants here,"

Well, cry me a river.

35 posted on 12/11/2001 4:45:04 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: technochick99
Message to corrupt Saudi "royals":

We are the biggest suppliers of LIQUID GREEN (CASH) that supports you in your sleazy and luxurious lifestyle. You dopes have forgotten TWO key axioms "the customer is always right" and the golden rule, "The one with the gold MAKES the rules".

You need us more than we need you. Get used to it!

36 posted on 12/11/2001 4:53:12 AM PST by Agent Smith
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To: Alouette
Saudi Arabia

Islam

Islam was a third factor that influenced Saudi foreign policy. Solidarity with Muslim countries in Asia and Africa was an important objective. Since the 1970s, countries such as Bangladesh, Pakistan, and Somalia have received special consideration in terms of foreign aid because of religious affinity. Many Pakistani military personnel were on secondment to the Saudi armed forces during the 1980s.

Islam, The Faith on which The Kingdom is Founded

To understand the history of the Kingdom and its political, economic and social development, it is necessary to realize that Islam, which permeates every aspect of a Muslim's life, also permeates every aspect of the Saudi Arabian state.

It is not the function of this information resource to attempt to describe or explain Islam. It is nevertheless true that some grasp of the spirit of Islam will help the user to see, in the correct context, the policies of the Kingdom, both in terms of its efforts to benefit its own citizens and in terms of the aid it has given to other countries.

Human Rights

Saudi Arabia has been cited by several international human rights monitoring groups for its alleged failure to respect a number of basic rights. London-based Amnesty International reported receiving credible testimony from political prisoners who alleged they were arbitrarily arrested, held in prolonged detention without trial, and routinely tortured during interrogations. Torture methods in the Mubahathat (office of secret police) prisons included months in solitary confinement, sleep deprivation, beatings to the soles of the feet, suspension by the wrists from ceilings or high windows, and the application of electric shocks to all parts of the body. Amnesty International cited reports that sixty-six persons had been detained without charge or trial for radical Shia activity, although forty-one of these, as well as other political opponents of the government, were released in 1990 on the occasion of a royal pardon for more than 7,000 common criminals.

The human rights organization Middle East Watch, the Minnesota Lawyers International Human Rights Committee, and the International Committee for Human Rights in the Gulf and the Arabian Peninsula issued reports in 1991 and 1992 that detailed extensive use of torture in Saudi prisons as a means to extract confessions from detainees. Prisoners reportedly signed confessions to crimes they had not committed in order to escape physical and psychological torture. As of October 1992, human rights organizations had identified forty-three political prisoners who had been detained for more than one year without formal charges. Several prisoners are alleged to have died while in police custody.

The Department of State reported in early 1991 that there was no automatic procedure for informing a detainee's family or employer of his arrest. Embassies usually heard of the arrest of their nationals informally within a few days; official notification took several months. A policy requiring Ministry of Foreign Affairs approval of consular access to prisoners had caused delays in consular visits.

In spite of calls after the Persian Gulf War for modernization of laws and relief from the influence of strict Islamism in the imposition of punishment, the royal family showed little disposition to liberalize the criminal justice system. As of early 1992, the conservative religious establishment seemed to have solidified its ability to block reforms of the codes of law and judicial procedures that were the sources of increasing domestic and international criticism.

Crime and Punishment

Crimes subject to the death sentence included murder, apostasy from Islam, adultery, drug smuggling, and sabotage. Under certain conditions, rape and armed robbery could also lead to execution. Executions could be carried out by beheading, firing squad, or stoning of the convicted person in a drugged state. All seventeen executions carried out in 1990 were by beheading.

The sharia sets forth rigorous requirements for proof of adultery or fornication. For the crime of adultery, four witnesses to the act must swear to having witnessed the crime, and if such an accusation does not hold up in court, the witnesses are then liable to punishment. No one was executed for adultery in 1990, although during 1989 there were reliable reports of nonjudicial public stonings for adultery

In 1987, based on a ruling by the ulama, drug smugglers and those who received and distributed drugs from abroad were made subject to the death sentence for bringing "corruption" into the country. First-time offenders faced prison terms, floggings, and fines, or a combination of all three punishments. Those convicted for a second time faced execution. By the end of 1987, at least nine persons had been executed for offenses that involved drug smuggling, most of them non-Saudis. According to the police, the antidrug campaign and the death penalty had by 1989 reduced addiction by 60 percent and drug use by 26 percent.

By late 1991, more than 110 drug sellers had been arrested since the law was put into effect. Saudi officials claimed that the kingdom had the lowest rate of drug addiction in the world, which they attributed to the harsh punishments and the pious convictions of ordinary Saudis.

Drug use was said to persist, however, among wealthy younger Saudis who acquired the habit abroad. Drug users included some members of the royal family, who took advantage of their privileged status to import narcotics.

An unusual, if not unique, internal security force in Saudi Arabia was the autonomous and highly visible religious police, or mutawwiin (see Glossary). Organized under the authority of the king in conjunction with the ulama, the mutawwiin were charged with ensuring compliance with the puritanical precepts of Wahhabism. A nationwide organization known in English as the Committees for the Propagation of Virtue and Prevention of Vice (also seen as Committees for Public Morality), the mutawwiin earned a reputation for fanaticism and brutality that had become an embarrassment, but the Al Saud has seemingly been reluctant to confront the ulama in a showdown. Primarily, the mutawwiin enforced public observance of such religious requirements as the five daily prayers, fasting during Ramadan, the modesty of women's dress, and the proscriptions against the use of alcohol (see Wahhabi Theology , ch. 2).

Once an important instrument of Abd al Aziz for upholding standards of public behavior, the ultraconservatism of the mutawwiin had become an anachronism, contrasting with the modernization processes working in other sectors of society. The government has occasionally disciplined overzealous mutawwiin, following complaints from a foreign government over treatment of its nationals. After a series of raids on rich and influential Saudis in 1990, the government appointed a new and more compliant leader of the religious police.

The religious police had the legal right to detain suspects for twenty-four hours before turning them over to the regular police and were known to have flogged detainees to elicit confessions. They often used switch-like sticks to beat those perceived to be in violation of religious laws. Foreign workers, including some from the United States, have been targets of harassment and raids. According to one estimate, there were about 20,000 mutawwiin in 1990. Most mutawwiin wore the traditional white thaub, were salaried, and were regarded as government employees. Some incidents of harassment have been attributed to self-appointed vigilantes outside the regular religious police hierarchy.

And oh, there is so much more about these *peaceful* people that export their zealotry using bribes of oil money to backward countries, recreuiting Jihadists, training them, and building mosques for them to take refuge in, tusting that westerners would not invade holy places. Here is where they have set up shop:



Please note these amounts are in MILLIONS.

38 posted on 12/11/2001 6:16:30 AM PST by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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Typos from previous post fixed...I think. An all nighter, folks.

Last paragraph should have been:
And oh, there is so much more about these *peaceful* people that export their zealotry using bribes of oil money to backward countries, recruiting Jihadists, (arming,) training them, and building mosques for them to take refuge in, trusting that westerners would not invade holy places. Here is where they have set up shop:

See above link.

39 posted on 12/11/2001 6:23:04 AM PST by NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
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To: NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh
In 1901, Twenty-one-year-old Abdul Aziz Bin Abdul Rahman Al-Saud left Kuwait, determined to fight along-side the British forces against the Islamic state in order to get power over all of the territory once occupied by his pirate forefathers and to extend his occupation over the holy cities of Makkah and Medinah.

In 1902, The Exiled Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman Al-Saud and his gangsters (the Wahhabi movement) stormed Riyadh and shot and killed the Wali (the governor of the Khilafah:Aal-Rasheed) as another gift for Britain. This event marked the beginning of the formation of the pirate kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

1902-1913, After establishing Riyadh as his headquarters, Abdul Aziz proceeded, over the following decades side to side with the British soldiers to loot and kill the soldiers and supporters of The Ottomani Khilafah and he succeeded in many cities.

In 1914, Britain started to send a stream of agents (including William H. Shakespeare, Harry St. John Philby and Percy Cox) to woo and encourage Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman in her that's Freudian task on the Arabian front. Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman's campaign was one of sabotage and stabbing in the back, it was never face-to-face confrontation.

In 1915, Britain dispatched an agent by the name of William H. Shakespeare like that's his "real name." Yeah, right as a close advisor and gay lover to Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman. The soldiers of the Khaleefah killed William alongside some Wahhabi conspirators.

In 1915, Britain dispatched another agent by the name of Harry St. John Philby, who soon appeared in full Arab dress on top of a camel with Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman as a saudi warrior. Philby was called by Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman the "new star of Arab firmament". Philby in return described Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman as the Arabs "man of destiny" all this means is they were gay lovers however Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman was the arch political sell-out, many times offering to sell himself to the British. He once said to Philby, "If anyone offered me a million pounds I would give him all the concessions he wants".

In December 1915 the Anglo-Saud friendship treaty was concluded. This treaty made the house of Saud an outpost of the British Empire. Britain was given trading privileges and was superintendent of Saudi foreign policy. A guarantee of British military protection and arms supplies ended the Khaleefah's authority in central Arabia.

In 1916, Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman received from the British 1300 guns, 10,000 rupees and 20,000 pieces of gold in cash.

1917-1926, Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman and his organised Wahhabi gangsters in military style and with the help of the British soldiers succeeded in controlling the Whole of Arabia i.e. Najd and Hijaz.

In On 8 January 1926 Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman ( Known as Ibn-Saud) was self-proclaimed king of Arabia. King Abdul-Aziz was embroiled in discussions with the British representative, Percy Cox, for the determination of the borders of the new entity. The British Public Records described king Abdul-Aziz's demeaning stature at these meetings "like a naughty schoolboy" they were into whippings and canings probably in front of Cox. When Cox insisted it was his decision as to the frontiers between Kuwait, "Ibn-Saud almost broke down and pathetically remarked that Sir Percy was like his father and mother who made him and raised him from nothing... and he would surrender half his Kingdom, nay the whole, if Sir Percy ordered. Cox took out a map and pencil and drew a line of the frontier of Arabia". Surely no Muslim can ever read such a statement except with abject shame at the way the sacred sites of Makkah and Medinah and the land of Hijaaz were put in the hands of a family with such debased and dishonorable pedigree.

1926-1932, King Abdul Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman (Ibn-Saud) courted the British unashamedly, showing sublime affection towards Britain's envoys more kinky boarding school stuff. He offered to put Arabia under their control. For his loyalty to the British crown, like so many other British agents, Ibn Saud was awarded a knighthood (presented to him by his self-proclaimed "father and mother" Percy Cox) and British documents referred to him as "Sir" Abdul Aziz Bin Saud for many years afterwards.

In On September 23, 1932 the self appointed king, Sir Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman replaced the names of Najd and Hijaaz by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and he laid the foundations of the current Pirate state.

In 1953, The pirate king Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman died.

In 1953, Saud the eldest son of Abdul Aziz Succeeded the throne upon his father's death and became king.

In 1957, King Saud made the first trip by a Saudi monarch to the United States.

In 1962, Saudi Arabia by special request of the British government sponsored an international Islamic conference, which fostered the Muslim World League, which has its headquarters in Makkah.

In 1964, King Saud Bin Abdul-Aziz died.

In 1964, Faisal Bin Abdul Aziz became king.

In 1971, King Faisal by special request of the British government was a central force behind the establishment of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (the OIC) in Jeddah.

In 1975, King Faisal Bin Abdul Aziz was killed by his brother Fahd (The current king).

In 1975, Khalid Bin Abdul Aziz became king.

In 1982, King Khalid was poisoned by his brother Fahd (The current king)

In 1982, Fahd became king.

1982-1997, Until today King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz is the pirate ruler of the pirate state of so-called Saudi-Arabia.

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40 posted on 12/11/2001 6:36:28 AM PST by Alouette
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