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"The Federal Toolkit For DESTROYING Families"
DA*DI ^ | Sunday, December 9, 2001 | Stephen Baskerville, Ph. D.

Posted on 12/09/2001 10:26:26 AM PST by FoundationAndEmpire

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To: _Jim
Since you seem to be so skeptical, perhaps you can explain what business the federal government has with domestic violence cases. What is wrong with letting local police departments handle the problem?
21 posted on 12/09/2001 12:14:24 PM PST by independentmind
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To: _Jim
Invest in victim/witness programs and the expansion of community-based advocacy.

Read: Give your tax dollars to more feminist organizations and their brand of social engineering!

22 posted on 12/09/2001 12:15:37 PM PST by ExiledInTaiwan
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To: FoundationAndEmpire
Dadi is a cool site. I was looking around it and found a story about an anotomically correct Victoria Silversdedt Figurine. She is cute.

The same article also points out all oustanding work the PLayboy Foundation has done to help stop violence against women.

Thank you for showing the site to me.

23 posted on 12/09/2001 12:16:28 PM PST by pcl
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To: Joseph Warren
I'll bet your wife never landed you in the emergency room, either. Some of these folks need to spend a few weeks in an emergency room.
24 posted on 12/09/2001 12:36:05 PM PST by joathome
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To: Joseph Warren
Whoa. That's pretty bad, and I'm really sorry you had to go through that. I still stand by the fact that MANY MORE WOMEN end up in emergency rooms due to serious battering.
27 posted on 12/09/2001 1:27:01 PM PST by joathome
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To: Joseph Warren
Perhaps that's because most men are capable of supporting themselves if they walk out of the house. I haven't worked in over twenty years, and would have no place to go but to a shelter (with my kids) should my husband decide to beat the crap out of me. I am not married to that type of man, however, and don't believe that most men are batterers.
28 posted on 12/09/2001 1:29:35 PM PST by joathome
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To: FoundationAndEmpire
Some of the statistics quoted here are just wrong. Really makes me question the entire article. For instance,

"Mothers accounted for 55% of child murders according to a 1994 Justice Department report (and fathers for a tiny percentage)."

This is just plain flat out wrong. According to recent Justice statistics, mothers account for about 1/3 of all child murders, with MEN being responsible for the other 2/3's of ther murders. Fathers account for another approximate 1/3.....but I believe that does include stepfathers.

From a Justice Department site: "Women were over half of the defendants (55%) in only one category of family murder: parents killing their offspring. Firearms were used in 42% of family murders, compared to 63% of nonfamily murders. 7/94 NCJ 143498

This is a far cry from saying that mothers murder 55% of children. In fact, about 30% of child victims are murdered by women, and considering the fact that children spend most of their time in the care of WOMEN, that figure alone does not tell the whole story.

29 posted on 12/09/2001 1:32:47 PM PST by joathome
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To: Joseph Warren
I COMPLETELY agree with you about the socioeconomic factors. I'm so tired of the liberal mantra that "we're all at risk". BARF I know women (and men) are abused across all socioeconomic lines, but I'm also smart enough to know that the majority of the abuse occurs in the lower stratas of society.
31 posted on 12/09/2001 1:39:12 PM PST by joathome
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To: joathome
Anyone who intentionally injures their spouse should meet the maximum penalty for criminal assault.

I don't believe that most men are batterers. There are two groups that push the idea that they are:

1) Feminists who need to demonize all men for various reasons (for an automatic advantage in child custody and divorce settlements, and for financial support from the govt/taxpayers for feminists groups, and to intimidate men out of opposing their Marxist agenda)

2) Actual batterers who can't take personal responsibility, so they parrot the feminist line, "It's not me! It's ALL men! It's systemic!"

It's a sad philosophy (feminism) that maligns good men (the majority) who would never hurt their wives in a million years, while giving actual batterers an excuse ("It was my Y-chromosome!")

We need to both stop the violence of the bad guys, and stop the destructive feminist stereotyping ("It's all of them!") of the good guys.

32 posted on 12/09/2001 1:44:02 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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I don't think that most men are batterers, either! I believe that FEW men are batterers. I can't stand the feminazis and their lies.

I've only known two woman who was seriously battered in my entire life.

One was my aunt, who seriously attempted suicide, stayed with him for several more years, and then finally made the break.

The other was a neighbor whose husband had played such mind trips on her, that she was TERRIFIED to leave him. Absolutely terrified. I can't imagine that amount of terror. Heaven only knows if she's alive today; when he saw that she was getting close to us "neighbors", he packed the family and moved them from Texas to Florida. I often wondered if he didn't dump her on a bridge somewhere between here and there.

Perhaps I don't know the minds of men, but I really don't think men are capable of being terrorized to the extent this woman was. They might be slapped around by their wives, they might be emotionally battered by their wives, but of those who live in terror.....it's mostly women.

And while the feminazis might inflate the statistics, the men who ignore this problem aren't any better than the feminazis.

34 posted on 12/09/2001 1:57:31 PM PST by joathome
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To: joathome
Regarding "And while the feminazis might inflate the statistics, the men who ignore this problem aren't any better than the feminazis."

I agree.

I oppose domestic violence in all it's forms.

The disturbing thing is, good men like myself are rebuffed by feminists who so blindly malign all men, they can't accept even the idea of there being good men who oppose domestic violence in all it's forms.

That's annoying as heck.

I don't doubt the non-misandric concerns of non-feminist women, and often provide an escort for female friends walking at night.

35 posted on 12/09/2001 2:07:38 PM PST by Dr. Octagon
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To: Dr. Octagon
What's "annoying as heck" is not that the feminazis believe that every man is a batterer, but that we women are "all at risk". There is a subtle difference. They could point to any number of men whom they know have not, and would not batter. They never even insinuate that "all" men are batterers; they just preach that "all women" are at risk.

Subtle lies are lies, nevertheless.

36 posted on 12/09/2001 2:14:18 PM PST by joathome
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To: _Jim
and 1 in 36 college women is a victim of an attempted or completed rape in each academic year

If the sudy includes he-said-she-said date rapes, it could be true.

I don't want to blame any victims of real crime at all, but the typical undergrad college party, with lots of drinking among strangers, is a date-rape allegation waiting to happen.

37 posted on 12/09/2001 2:25:42 PM PST by bleudevil
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To: _Jim
THANK YOU, Jim for #5!
38 posted on 12/10/2001 11:11:16 PM PST by ~EagleNebula~
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To: FoundationAndEmpire
Sounds very like someone trying to undermine the present adminstration. Could the author possibly be a Dem? Someone out to discredit the Bush administration? Hmmmmm! Smell a rat anywhere?
39 posted on 12/10/2001 11:14:19 PM PST by ~EagleNebula~
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To: _Jim
Some religious, spiritual, and faith-based organizations provide victims with well-informed, practical, and spiritual guidance, including referrals to other organizations.

Thank you for posting this. I think it is important that people understand. It says "some".....they, too, need education in this area. They often want to see the family unit kept together and push this hard, turning a deaf ear to the victim. Some can even "beat," so to speak, the victim with scripture to keep them "in their place". The religious organizations need education as much as the rest of the country does.

40 posted on 12/10/2001 11:22:26 PM PST by ~EagleNebula~
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