Are all the Mooks gone?
Posted on 12/04/2001 5:37:21 AM PST by sheltonmac
Been used to much to be an effective insult anymore..I quote it myself now..
You mean the 'house of Allah'--'cuz that's who attacked us.
Chookter, I say this will all hope that you will take this advice: quit posting on FR and spend the time reading your Bible.
1 Peter 4:17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?Does that sound faintly like something I just said.
Right.
What does that have to do with the arabs who attacked us on 9-11?
Are all the Mooks gone?
Sorry, I guess I meant 'those upstanding young gentlemen scholars studying the Koran and harming none'. You know--the Talibunnies, from the enlightened nations of the ME, like Palestine.
You say that as one who believes that God wouldn't do such a thing. No offense, but have you ever actually read the Bible? If so, have you ventured into the Old Testament? The Lord used heathen nations to bring judgment upon the nation of Israel on numerous occasions. Likewise, he used Israel to exact judgment upon other nations. Perhaps you would be more comfortable if a huge hand had come down out of the clouds and tipped over the World Trade Center. No one is claiming to have all the answers but history and Scripture can be useful guides.
So what.
Spell it out for me. Tell me exactly what this has to do with 9-11?
Right after the time of the New Testament, one of the early responses of Rome to the monotheistic worship of Christians was the offer by an emperor to take a statue of Jesus Christ and put it in the Roman Pantheon.I'd like to hear more about this. As we all know, early Christians were persecuted by Rome for refusing to worship the emperor. Rome allowed citizens to practice any other religion but required citizens to make a token offering or worship of the emperor. Christians died by the thousands at the hands of Rome for refusing to betray Christ by worshipping other gods after the true God had revealed Himself to them. These modern polytheist "Christians" apparently don't understand that peculiar and strict belief which God used to establish the church of Jesus Christ. The polytheists also forget "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me."
When these judgments arrived, men forgot how to make love to their wives, and parents refused to nurture their babies. Too many Christians have thought that abortion is bad, and it might bring on judgment down the road. We have said public acceptance of homosexuality is bad, and it might cause judgments to happen in some undefined "later." Because Christians have not seen these things as a judgment in themselves, these same Christians who have predicted coming "later" judgments refuse to see them as such when they finally arrive.Again, this article presents the correct teaching. These things do not bring judgment. They are a judgment themselves and a warning of the greater wrath to come if a nation or an individual will not repent. Very few preachers are brave enough to say this today. They fail their calling and their duty.
...Billy Graham has served as an ambassador of Jesus Christ over the course of many decades. And now, at the end of his life, he has denied the very Lord he had previously preached and served.Given the great acuity of the writer in the rest of the article, I'm surprised he seems unaware that Graham abandoned sound gospel preaching many decades ago. These facts are well known.
Once again, you show that you didn't even bother to read the lead article. (It is so hard to have a discussion with people who are not willing to participate in a meaningful fashion). If you had actually bothered to read, you would have discovered that your answer was "spelled out" in excruciating detail.
Face it, chook, America is more important to you than God. (Go ahead and confirm that last statement for us, and then we will know to pray for your eternal soul.) "Unless you repent, you will likewise perish."
Isaiah 8:11-15
Fear God, Heed His Word
11 For the LORD spoke thus to me with a strong hand, and instructed me that I should not walk in the way of this people, saying:
12"Do not say, "A conspiracy,'
Concerning all that this people call a conspiracy,
Nor be afraid of their threats, nor be troubled.
13The LORD of hosts, Him you shall hallow;
Let Him be your fear,
And let Him be your dread.
14He will be as a sanctuary,
But a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense
To both the houses of Israel,
As a trap and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15And many among them shall stumble;
They shall fall and be broken,
Be snared and taken."
Maybe he will eventually take my advice outlined somewhere in 40,42,43,44... And validated when he can't seem to stop and think about a single quote from the Word.
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children: "My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked by Him; for whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth." If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not? But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all arepartakers, then ye are bastards and not sons.You can look at this as evil without a purpose if you please and deny the Sovereignty of God, but I will say that what Satan has meant for evil, God will work for good.And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover, whom He predestined, those He also called; and whom He called, those He also justified; and whom He justified, those He also glorified. What then shall we say of these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?
--BEGINNING OF QUOTE-- How can Franklin Graham's statement, as seen in post # 26, be seen as a cave-in? If anything, he reinforces his earlier comments about the evil and errors of Islam.
At the same time, where are the Islamic Relief organizations tending to the wounded and orphaned from September 11th? Where is "Mohammed's Purse"? They don't exist! Muslims don't even care for their own people, why would we think that they would care for the hurting of other faiths?
Where are the Muslim mullahs and imams condemning terrorism and the events of September 11th? They don't exist either! If 19 Lutherans (or Baptists, or Methodists, or Catholics) had hijacked airliners and flown them into Mecca, killing the innocent passengers, crews, and pilgrims the entire Christian world would rise up to condemn this wickedness. Why won't Islamic leaders do the same in response to September 11th? (We know why, it is because Islam is not a peaceful religion, and Islam seeks world domination by whatever means.)
Islam is a wicked, evil religion spawned by the devil, and its adherents will suffer eternal punishment unless they repent of their sins and place their faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. --END OF QUOTE--
How do you reconcile these words with your (mistaken) beliefs that we are "talibornagain"?
If we "Talibornagains" really wanted to see America destroyed we would be completely silent on the issue. Your argument falls flat and lacks any semblance of logic or reason. - sheltonmacThis, BTW, chookter, is why Jonah did not want to cry out against Nineveh. This argument completely slays your accusation against those of us who understand the Bible and are not afraid to cry out against America; for her to repent and return to the vision of our founding fathers. - CCWoody
He doesn't seem to be very thoughtful about our Biblical position.
For later reading.
Can I not love God AND believe that America DOES NOT deserve to die for some amorphous collective sin?
I am unable to see America is as wicked and deserving of punishment as the Taliban and the Talibornagain do.
Very sound. This reflects the article's teaching very well. Most people don't even understand the concept of being a godfearing person in modern times. The word "godfearing" has a rich history that reaches back to pre-Christian times when Gentiles would worship in synagogues with Jews. They were called "God-fearers". They would not convert, wishing to avoid the harshness of Judaic legalism or strict dietary law or persecution by the state (or circumcision). Yet these godfearers were strongly attracted to the God of Israel and some did convert to Judaism. The word "godfearing" also has more modern connotations in which people understood the word in exactly the way the article and the verses in Isaiah intend. Namely, that we should fear God's wrath and that our only refuge from His wrath is in absolute obedience to Him, a concept that is common to both devout Jews and Christians alike.Isaiah 8:13
13The LORD of hosts, Him you shall hallow;
Let Him be your fear,
And let Him be your dread.
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