I believe in Allah and America

Wednesday November 28, 2001 | Arsalan Iftikhar

[FITZ]

Of course those 6000 innocent Americans who went to work on the morning of Sept 11 were not abortionists. The Muslims killed them for really no reason, at least the ones you condemn are killing people who themselves believe in killing.

[medved]

The man Jesus sent was Muhammad. ....

Allah may or may not be believable; the problem is with Muhammed. There is no such thing as prophesy in our own age, and anybody, including both Muhammed and Joseph Smith, who claims to be a prophet in our age, is perpetrating a fraud upon the public.

[EclipseVI]

We know Americans invented cars, airplanes, bicycles, and so on and discovered uses for electricity and so on. What is one great Muslim invention?

I was going to try and type or cut and paste some information for you here but, the site was too extensive. I have however provided the link. http://www.ummah.org.uk/science/default.html

[F.J. Mitchell]

# 156: Just to set the record straight, you need not be either a Christian or a nutcase to be against murdering innocent babies, all that is neccessary is that one be sane and a human.

Tell me you clown-would you call someone a nut case or Christian, if they shot someone to prevent the wholesale slaughter of innocent adults? Don't try to explain that sh*t to me-didn't it cause your shrink to wind up in intensive mental care??

[Illbay]

Would you agree that it would be wrong to attribure these acts to some "intrinsic viciousness" of Christians...

To be honest, many religions are prone to go astray from their founding principles, at least in those that I know of from inquiry into the subject.

And there seem to be regular attempts at "reformation" as well, common to many religions, Christianity, Judaism and Islam being good examples of such.

And you have to concede that if certain trends become "normative", then that ipso facto defines the religion as a whole.

For example: Some of the things you speak of did "define" the official pronouncements of the powers-that-were in, say, the Roman Catholic Church at the time of Galileo, or the Inquisition. Cardinal Ximenez, for example, was commissioned specifically BY THE POPE HIMSELF, to prosecute the Inquisition, and the "trial" of Galileo took place in the Vatican.

OTOH, the "jihadists" are a fringe group, an outgrowth of (but not necessarily in total concert with) the "Wahhabi" movement in the Suni Muslim faith. Outside of a handful of clerics, considered renegade by the greater body of Islamic clerics, there is no real "authority" for their doing what they have done.

Thus to condemn ALL OF ISLAM for the actions of a comparative few outlaws is simply untenable. It is as if you were to look at the incidents you mention, and decide that "all Christians" want to kill Jews and stifle scientific inquiry.

[TopQuark]

TopQuark, I want to alert you to something very disconcerting. It appears some bigotted moron has been posting on this board using the name "TopQuark." This is something I thought you should know. In your service, JoJo the Clown.

Coming from Clown, I do not know whether this is a joke, sarcasm, or a serious note. If it is the latter, could you kindly let me know where you noticed such postings? Thanks in advance.

[FITZ]

LOL!!! Other than claiming to have invented and discovered everything, there is no specific invention the Muslims can claim. The Islamic countries show pretty well the lack of Muslim inventions, they pretty much import all cars, computers, food, medicine and the rest.

[JoJo the Clown]

FITZ, I see your point. It is a stupid one. Thanks for your time. HEy, did you know I am a clown?

[agrace]

...the Quran categorically states, "there is no compulsion in religion."

Sure, that's why muslims in half a dozen countries are executed if they convert to another faith, why they can be sentenced to death for merely "blaspheming" the name of Mohammed, why so many muslims believe in a "convert or die" philosophy, why non-believers are second class citizens, why one can be beaten in Saudi Arabia if caught not praying during designated times, why Christians are murdered daily in Indonesia, Sudan, Sierra Leone...

[F16Fighter]

"We don't blame Christianity few the few zealots....[yada,yada,yada]"

"WE"??

So glad the "bozos" of the world are in a forgiving mood.

Must have booked a Catskills gig, eh?

[Anchoragite]

"I am a Christian, and I am an American. I am proud of both and will compromise neither. Jesus is LORD."

"My god's better than your... god

My god's better than yooooours"

I really don't see any difference between fundie muslims, fundie jews, and fundie christians. Any will defend their hallucinations to the death, regardless of the human cost.

[F.J. Mitchell]

# 163: Let me help you EclipseVI, Muslims invented the stone age, tornados, hurricanes, floods, famine, stupidity, suffering, pain, depression, excuses, homosexuality, lesbinism, beastality, hatred, envy, and a damn good example of why some choose athieism. THe only relationship between God and Islam is that it's existance desecrates the world that he created.

[JoJo the Clown]

F.J.: "Just to set the record straight, you need not be either a Christian or a nutcase to be against murdering innocent babies, all that is neccessary is that one be sane and a human." JoJo: The nutcases who kill the abortion doctors are not justified in doing so, not in a civilized society that has laws prohibiting it. Maybe you have a tough time understanding that, but 95 percent of the public would disagree with you. My point earlier was that we don't accuse all Christians of being murderers just because a few of them are. F.J.: "Tell me you clown-would you call someone a nut case or Christian, if they shot someone to prevent the wholesale slaughter of innocent adults? Don't try to explain that sh*t to me-didn't it cause your shrink to wind up in intensive mental care??" JoJo: Yes, and so does 95 percent of the public. Almost everyone understands that the idiots who kill the abortion doctors are terrorists. No one approves of their actions except dimwits like you. BTW, do you like clowns? I am a very smart one, but a poor one.

[F.J. Mitchell]

# 172: Christians derive their power from God-Allah derives his power from Muslim violence. Any questions?

[FITZ]

I think your point was stupid. A "Christian" killing people who kill for money like an abortionist is illegal, just like it is for someone to kill someone in a bad drug deal but it isn't even close to Muslims killing 6000 people who were just going to regular jobs. Your analogy is very stupid actually.

[RMrattlesnake]

Those who call GOD allah do not know him. The Muslums Do not worship the God in the Bible. Sence there is only one the muslums follow satan. If you don't like it to bad. The GOD of the Bible is the only GOD and the only way to him is though JESUS Christ

[JoJo the Clown]

jdhmichigan: "So please, you and Katie Couric, Peter Jennings, Morris Dees, and whomever call being a true Christian a form of "hate" are deceived and without true understanding. In other words, you are stupid - at least in this area." JoJo: Your post is filled with hate. You are filled with hate. You are a hateful person, and a stupid one. Do you like clowns? I think you do. I am a clown, you know.