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Accused Group Traded Despite US Terror Fears (+LinksMultiple Govt'Prior Knowledge Threads)
Financial Times of London @ FT. com ^ | November 29, 2001-Updated | Victoria Griffith in Boston and Mark Huband and John Willman in London

Posted on 11/29/2001 9:59:43 AM PST by t-shirt

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To: sneakypete
The government will usurp whatever rights it can under whatever guises or pretenses or allowed atrocities it can, if you let it.
21 posted on 11/29/2001 4:06:10 PM PST by t-shirt
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To: t-shirt
Or perhaps there are cells which are still in place...the FBI is not saying.
22 posted on 11/29/2001 4:18:11 PM PST by rubbertramp
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To: t-shirt
BUMP for your post #3. Thanks !!!!!
23 posted on 11/29/2001 4:31:16 PM PST by Snow Bunny
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To: Snow Bunny
Check out the other threads I posted today as well.
24 posted on 11/29/2001 4:46:38 PM PST by t-shirt
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To: rubbertramp; expose
They are being made citizens.

Post this one as a thread if you want--please do:

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U.S. offers help to immigrants who aid in war

Attorney General John Ashcroft addresses the press at the Department of Justice.

USA Today

November 29, 2001

WASHINGTON - The Justice Department on Thursday offered the prospect of American citizenship, including a promise to ignore visa problems, to entice foreigners to come forward with information about terrorists. ''The people who have the courage to make the right choice deserve to be welcomed as guests into our country and perhaps to one day become fellow citizens,'' Attorney General John Ashcroft said. The citizenship-for-information program was the latest appeal by the Justice Department to elicit help from the public in tracking down terrorists. Hundreds of Middle Easterners have been swept up in the terrorism investigation, drawing complaints from civil rights and Muslim-American groups.

The "responsible cooperators program" would defer deportation indefinitely for foreigners with visa problems and would allow outsiders to enter the country and eventually apply for citizenship.

Foreigners must provide "reliable and useful" information that helps investigators track down terrorists or avert an attack, Ashcroft said.

"It does not necessarily have to lead to a conviction, and it doesn't have to be comprehensive," he said. "It might be that it's a missing link in a chain of evidence that allows us to actually do something."

Ashcroft said investigators "have clear evidence" that Osama bin Laden and his al-Qa'eda network were responsible for the Sept. 11 attacks and that al-Qa'eda members are in the United States. "Noncitizens are often ideally situated to observe the early stages of terrorist activity," he said.

The announcement was a switch from the hard line the department has taken since Sept. 11 against immigration violators.

More than 600 men from Arab and Muslim countries are in custody for immigration violations and other non-terrorism allegations, and authorities want to question 5,000 other Middle Eastern men in connection with the investigation.

Investigators have been told to check their immigration status and hold those with problems. Ashcroft said foreigners who report to the FBI or U.S. embassies overseas with information about terrorists will not be questioned about their immigration status.

The new program could provide an incentive to get those in custody to cooperate and to encourage those wanted for voluntary questioning who have immigration problems.

"Some visitors may be hesitant to come forward with their information because of their immigration status," Ashcroft said. "They may rest assured that the United States welcomes any reliable and useful information that they can provide. In return, we will help them make America their home."

A program started after the 1993 World Trade Center attacks offers foreigners a special visa if they provide critical information about terrorists that could endanger their lives. Up to 50 such visas can be offered annually. There's no limit on the number of people who can apply for the new program.

Ashcroft also asked Americans to be on the lookout for Clayton Lee Waagner, a convicted felon who escaped from an Illinois jail last February. The FBI says Waagner has claimed responsibility for sending more than 280 letters to abortion clinics across the United States.

Meanwhile, a federal magistrate in Alexandria, Va., ordered Agus Budiman, 31, held without bail on grounds that prosecutors had shown he had close ties to some of the Sept. 11 hijackers.

During a preliminary hearing Thursday on document fraud charges, FBI special agent Jesus Gomez linked Budiman to four of the hijackers, including suspected ringleader Mohammed Atta, and two other people believed to have close ties to the terrorists.

Budiman's defense attorney, Mark Thrash, characterized the government's case as "smoke and mirrors," saying Budiman had only a passing acquaintance with the hijackers through a Hamburg, Germany, mosque. He said there was no evidence that showed Budiman shared the hijackers' views about the United States or knew of their plot.

Gomez testified that Ziad Jarrah, suspected of flying the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania, listed Budiman's address on a visa application to get into the United States. He also testified that Ramsi Binalshibh, labeled "the 20th hijacker" by the FBI because agents believe he was supposed to have been aboard the Pennsylvania flight, twice tried unsuccessfully to use Budiman's address to get into the country.

Thrash said the two men used Budiman's address without permission and suggested that an acquaintance of Budiman, Mohammed Bin Nasser Belfas, may have given them the address.

Budiman, a driver for a food delivery service, is charged with helping Belfas, a fellow Indonesian, fraudulently obtain a Virginia ID card. Belfas' whereabouts are unknown.

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/attack/2001/11/29/govt-help.htm

25 posted on 11/29/2001 4:50:45 PM PST by t-shirt
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To: t-shirt
BTTT
26 posted on 11/29/2001 5:33:06 PM PST by Marianne
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To: t-shirt
btss
27 posted on 11/29/2001 5:55:49 PM PST by Free Vulcan
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To: t-shirt
Don't ever give up your rights, liberty or freedoms for a false promise of security

This is something I find myself arguing over more and more these days! Just yesterday I had a fellow FReeper actually tell me we can't put liberty ahead of life!! I choked!
Thank you so much for the time you put into this, t-shirt! It will be bookmarked and used.

28 posted on 11/29/2001 7:31:54 PM PST by SusanUSA
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To: susangirl
I will be posting more related prior knowledge stories on this thread.
29 posted on 11/30/2001 12:21:18 PM PST by t-shirt
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To: t-shirt
thanks for the ping bump
30 posted on 11/30/2001 5:10:04 PM PST by IRtorqued
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To: t-shirt
The government will usurp whatever rights it can under whatever guises or pretenses or allowed atrocities it can, if you let it.

On this we agree. Thanks for the ping. I Just spent a couple of hours in the links and links to links, originating here in your post. While reading these, it seems as though I finally awakened from a long sleep that started on September 11th. I thus decided to look back at my last FR reply prior to the attack. What I found, was an article I replied to the day before. Interestingly, it kind of fits in with what you have presented here. It also raises questions as to what the anti-terrorist activities of the government were, as recent as a week prior to September 11th.ˆ

US pulls the plug on Muslim websites

Posted on 9/10/01 3:58 PM Pacific by Sedition

Considering that the government had such powers (sealed warrents, etc) prior to September 11th, I wonder just what, this so called Patriot Act is really about?

31 posted on 11/30/2001 5:23:55 PM PST by jackbob
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To: t-shirt
Say I am anti abortion and pro gun ownership..which I am. A terrorist bomber who wants citizenship can make up a story about me and be rewarded with citizenship. Doncha just love UN control?
32 posted on 12/01/2001 4:21:35 AM PST by rubbertramp
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To: rubbertramp
Great isn't it????

It's sickening!!!

33 posted on 12/01/2001 8:18:43 AM PST by t-shirt
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To: Black Jade
(Click here for a more detailed report on Citigroup, including Citi's "private banking" activities)."

my mouse is going nuts looking for something to mash, don't do this to me!

35 posted on 12/02/2001 5:36:50 AM PST by IRtorqued
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To: t-shirt
Thanks for the flag- they should have been shut down long ago.
36 posted on 12/04/2001 9:29:10 AM PST by mafree
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To: Black Jade
the U,N FLAG AT THE W.T.C--------
37 posted on 12/09/2001 8:31:27 PM PST by expose
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