Ron Paul: Can Freedom be Exchanged for Security?

Ron Paul ^ | 26 November 2001 | Hon. Ron Paul, M.D.

[Zviadist]

These political games should not be tolerated by the American public, especially when precious freedoms are at stake.

Oh, but Congressman, the American people are sheep, just waiting for big daddy government to come and make it all better. Oh please help me...

[Zviadist]

Can you do a "Ron Paul" bump?

[Black Agnes]

ron paul bump!

[scottiewottie]

A Libertopian Lunatic bump for Ron Paul.

[horsewhispersc]

BUMP.......He's quite a Man, maybe we can Clone him! ;-)

[madfly]

Bump

[Barry Goldwater]

Ron Paul is a man of courage and principle. I am alarmed at how the Federal Gov. is cracking down on the man in the street. All these new laws and powers aren't going to help. They had all the assets to get these terrorists before 9/11 if they had the will or were capable of using them.

[scottiewottie]

An intellectual capital clone bump:

We must be vigilant to resist the rush toward ever-increasing state control of our society, so that our own government does not become a greater threat to our freedoms than any foreign terrorist.

[NewAmsterdam]

Dear Mr Zviadist,

When I am next in the States and arrested as a freigner for an undisclosed reason without charge and without recourse to law and have to look forward to spending my 85th birthday in a prison in an undisclosed location, would you be so kind to send Mr Paul a message saying that there surely must have been some mistake? Many thanks in advance for all your help,

Yours sincerely,

NewAmsterdam

[Zviadist]

The federal government has made no showing that it failed to detect or prevent the recent terrorist strikes because of the civil liberties that will be compromised by this new legislation.

Well at least someone in government is speaking against the Sovietization of our society.

[Zviadist]

look forward to spending my 85th birthday in a prison in an undisclosed location,

You are auslander? Without papers in order? No prison for you!!! No 85 years old!!! Nein! You will be executed! (After secret trial, of course! -- we are still a democratic people's republic!!!)

[NewAmsterdam]

He certainly deserves credit for that. All this extra surveillance will only lead to paranoia and corruption, for that matter. What if you are an average-paid FBI fellow who gathers some very sensitive, say, financial information whilst working on an unrelated case? Could be worthwhile to sell it on to someone who may benefit from the info? And no record of the guy spying on that particular suspect because it wasn't necessary to get independent confirmation of the need for the intrusion.

[horsewhispersc]

Thanks, I am concerned and I pray for those in congress that they are touched when he speaks for if they are then they are righteous men and women. I care not what party affiliation they have, I care that they love this great nation and what it stands for.

[NewAmsterdam]

But, but, but, but, but, I have passport! I only business do here! Not terrorist me! Papers in order, only little filthy from travel!

[Common Tator]

Eighty years ago when fast automobiles became available a new type of criminal showed up in the United States.

At that time all law enforcement was local. There was no FBI. But someone could kill a person on one state and escape to another and be free.

Killing someone like Ron Paul was a piece of cake. Kill him in his home state and escape to another was all that it took. Then the FBI was created and crossing state lines to avoid prosecution became a federal crime. The traveling gangs of criminals were stopped. But the Ron Paul types back then were as opposed to the formation of federal officers as the Ron Paul types are today. Partially to appease them they did not call them federal police or federal sheriffs. They called them investigators. The Federal Bureau of Invesigation was the name.

But largely at the loss of the right to be killed and your killer get away with it, the FBI was formed.

I wonder how many of the passengers in those 4 hi jacked planes said as the planes crashed,

"Thank you Ron Paul for keeping the Federal Government from protecting me. The right to die at the hands of terrorists is a freedom I will truly cherish for the final seconds of my life."

[alpowolf]

I didn't see the part of the article where Mr. Paul called for the abolition of the FBI; perhaps you can point it out to me.

What in blazes is so unreasonable about expecting our elected representatives to read legislation before they vote on it? That's what we pay them for!

Just curious: do you really believe that the so-called "Patriot" Act would have prevented 9/11? How?

[NewAmsterdam]

You are employing false rethoric. The central point Ron Paul seems to make is that your government has not proved that the murders of September could have been prevented if only the various agencies had had the extended powers now given to them. In other words, the existing laws are sufficient to prevent terrorism whenever probable suspicion exists. There is no legal loophole here of the kind which allowed murderers in the past to escape prosecution. And, thus, there is up till now no reason to change the law this dramatically.

[Zviadist]

, I have passport! I only business do here! Not terrorist me! Papers in order, only little filthy from travel!

Tell it to the tribunal!!!

[sheltonmac]

"I am alarmed at how the Federal Gov. is cracking down on the man in the street."

It was bound to happen. The "man in the street" is the last line of defense against complete government control. Uncle Sam sees him as an enemy that must be eliminated.