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CARROLL: THIS IS AN UNJUST WAR!
Boston Globe ^
| 11/27/2001
| James Carroll
Posted on 11/27/2001 5:29:23 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:07:06 AM PDT by Jim Robinson.
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One would think that Carroll, an ex-priest, might understand "just" war. But one would be wrong.
If you'd like, use THIS form to send a letter to the editor of the Boston Globe.
To: Hemingway's Ghost
Hey Carroll, Come down to NY and write this crap, your career will last five minutes and you will leave town with a police escort.
To: Hemingway's Ghost
So much baloney in one article; it's not even worth making the effort to analyze it.
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posted on
11/27/2001 5:34:00 AM PST
by
be-baw
To: Hemingway's Ghost
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posted on
11/27/2001 5:37:23 AM PST
by
AppyPappy
To: All-American Medic
It's very hard to see the big picture when his head is firmly implanted in his anal orifice.
By Carroll's reasoning, Midway was not necessarily an American victory because we lost a carrier bigger than any of the four we sunk. Further, there was no way to independently confirm claims the Japanese Naval Code was cracked as this information remained classified until long after the war.
To: All-American Medic
"Next we will be called kooks." KOOK!
To: Hemingway's Ghost
It's not just because commie journalists aren't told anything? This guy obviously has no clue.
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posted on
11/27/2001 5:38:41 AM PST
by
Brett66
To: AppyPappy
Thanks. I did a search on Carroll and nothing popped, so I posted.
To: Hemingway's Ghost
One major difference in the terrorist attack strategem and the US campaign is that our logistical tooling up for war is open for public scrutiny, whereas the terrorists' 2 years of living and preparation in a nation without walls was not only not publicly exposed, but defended by the same liberties granted to all citizens of the US.
The article is grossly deceptive to imply a massive military campaign by the US has amssively destroyed Afghanistan.
To date we only show a MEU having been deployed preceded by possibly some covert and bombing runs from far away air bases. These types of attacks are far from massive. They are only company, battery, and squadron level attacks at surgical levels.
IMHO, it's time to counter-battery fire the Boston Globe for condoning the bahavior of terrorists and terror-condoning governments by inaction and the Boston Globe's failure to remember 9/11. The war is only beginning, and the Boston Globe wants to star anti-war campaigns now, to aid and abet those within our country who might cause terror in the future amongst Americans.
No need for the Boston Globe to continue. Those with power in information warfare should counter the Globe and nip their pro-terrorist stance in the bud.
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posted on
11/27/2001 5:40:51 AM PST
by
Cvengr
To: Hemingway's Ghost
Don't worry. Every anti-Catholic Protestant on this forum will condemn James Carroll for being insane, stupid and dishonest. And he is all of those.
But, when Carroll writes his next fraudulent column bashing the Catholic Church, they will weigh in praising his wisdom, intelligence and forthrightness.
Just you watch.
To: Hemingway's Ghost
Journalists impeded by restricted access and blind patriotism have uncovered even less The presumption of guilt is considered fair by the US media whenver it's possible to construct it on non-liberal components of government.
Make the profits and returns of the investors of these media outlets dry up now!
Boycot the lying, biased and unfair press!
HF
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posted on
11/27/2001 5:44:56 AM PST
by
holden
To: Hemingway's Ghost
I always pick a word from the title. Some people can't spell an author's name correctly.
To: Hemingway's Ghost
He makes two good points. Perhaps due to the secretive character of surgical special operations that, one hopes, are undertaken, or to the general manipulative inclinations of government, we only know what we are told about this war, and it isn't much. Secondly, and old style trench-and-bombers warfare against a subsitute enemy may do little to disable or even punish Al Qaeda.
However, he is wrong on two major points. A war against an oppressive regime is nearly always just. One way it would be unjust if it is unrelated to the national interest; then it would be unjust to us American citizens. The only other way to make the war against the Taliban unjust is to wage it primarily against civilians. Neither obtains at present: if disabling Al Qaeda is in the national interest then disabling the Taliban governemnt that enabled it is also in the national interest; and there is no evidence that civilians are targeted other than by mistake or to the extent the combatants mingle with them.
Lastly he is wrong to muddle the boundary between America's economic and military cooperation with wilful and legitimate partners in the Middle East, and acts of terrorism. We may have a base in Saudi Arabia, oil interests, and a friendship with Israel, and all that is not in any way a part of any "cycle of violence". The only way to prevent the Twin Tower massacre from starting a cycle of violence is to destroy Al Qaeda and any government that harbors such organization.
Defense of Liberty: Just Intervention
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posted on
11/27/2001 5:49:17 AM PST
by
annalex
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To: holden
This war is not ''just'' because it was not necessary. It may be the only kind of force the behemoth Pentagon knows to exercise, but that doesn't make it ''just'' either. The terrorist attacks of Sept. 11 could have been defined not as acts of war, but as crimes. What utter nonsense! Scores are killed in a armed, air piracy attack, directly on the center of our military high command and this idiot considers it a merely a crime, presumably for the local constabulary and its fingerprint analysts.
Carroll is clearly a raving looney and we are "unjust" if we in any way help pay his salary to write!
HF
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posted on
11/27/2001 5:52:56 AM PST
by
holden
To: Hemingway's Ghost
I did a search on Carroll and nothing popped, so I posted.Not your fault. Author search has been broken for a couple of months.
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posted on
11/27/2001 5:53:05 AM PST
by
dighton
To: annalex
I'm more appalled by his complete lack of understanding of just war theory. As a catholic priest, he has no excuse for
not knowing it: St. Augustine developed it. I posted a summary of just war theory on the mirror thread for this article
here, if you're interested.
To: Hemingway's Ghost
an ex-priest, might understand "just" warPrecisely why he would not! They don't teach enough Aquinas in seminaries anymore. The better seminaries are now just getting back into Thomistic theology.
To: Hemingway's Ghost
In my most elegant words (and not to get banned) I have but one statement to make.....This guy is a commie-loving traitor.
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posted on
11/27/2001 5:56:54 AM PST
by
ohioman
To: wideawake
Lighten up! I am a Protestant-Southern Baptist- and I like and almost always agree with the Pope. I can't stand a broad brush. Remember, you can't get more Un-PC and reviled by the media as being a Catholic or a Southern Baptist.
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posted on
11/27/2001 5:59:58 AM PST
by
ohioman
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