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Plea deals in gun cases can create fatal results
The Plain Dealer ^ | 25 November 2001 | Mark Rollenhagen and Mike Tobin

Posted on 11/25/2001 11:48:39 AM PST by Deadeye Division

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1 posted on 11/25/2001 11:48:39 AM PST by Deadeye Division
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To: *bang_list
Bang
2 posted on 11/25/2001 11:49:19 AM PST by Deadeye Division
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To: Deadeye Division
This is impossible. There are laws to keep things like this from happening.
3 posted on 11/25/2001 11:53:33 AM PST by real saxophonist
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To: Deadeye Division
Nothing but a case of Liberal Gun Control, now why are they crying?

They got what they asked for, I Mean it is illegal to own a gun in Cleveland.

4 posted on 11/25/2001 12:00:01 PM PST by dts32041
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To: real saxophonist
Pleas eliminate weapons charges

11/25/01

were combined and one was reduced to "attempted" carrying of a concealed weapon. He was sentenced to two years of probation.

A year later, Bryan shoved a gun into Freddie Belcher's side and robbed him. Prosecutors dismissed a gun charge that would have sent Bryan to prison for three years in addition to any sentence for the robbery. Instead, he pleaded guilty to attempted robbery and served 3½ years. Nineteen months after being released from prison, Bryan shot Leon in the face after the officer approached him at the gas station near E. 40th St. and Community College Ave.

Bryan was convicted of aggravated murder and sentenced to death. Leon is survived by his wife and three small children.

NATHANIEL HILL

Age: 27

Last address: 1000 block of E. 74th St., Cleveland.

Princess Williams used to while away the summer nights sitting on the porch of her Collinwood home, waving to neighbors.

All that changed Feb. 18, when Nathaniel Hill and two other men burst into her house, threw her to the ground and put a gun to her head.

The men bound Williams' hands and feet with cord, then pulled down Williams' pants and threatened to rape her with the handle of a dust pan. They asked her where her son was and ransacked the house, looking for money and drugs.

"I knew I was going to die then and there because I only had $15 and a credit card," Williams said.

The trio left without shooting her, and Hill was eventually arrested. He was sentenced to 12 years in prison on robbery and gun charges, but Williams, 50, wonders why he was on the street in the first place.

Though Hill was arrested with a loaded gun three times between 1997 and 1998, he never served more than a few months in jail because of a series of plea deals and dismissals.

DAKUS COLLINS

Age: 28

Last address: 3800 block of E. 142nd St., Cleveland.

In 1993, Dakus Collins used a .380-caliber Glock pistol to rob two people of $400 and clothes. Two years later, he robbed 19-year-old Anthony Reglus and shot him in the leg. Nine days later, Reglus and Collins argued over gambling debts and Collins shot Reglus again, this time killing him.

The two robbery cases were combined, most of the charges were reduced, and the firearm charges were dropped. Collins was sentenced to five years in prison.

Two years later, while sitting in prison, Collins was charged with aggravated murder for the death of Reglus. Again, the firearms charge was deleted and Collins pleaded guilty to less serious charges. He was sentenced to 6½ years in prison - to be served concurrently with the time from the earlier robberies.

In total, Collins had 10 gun charges dropped.

Collins "just killed him, and it was like nobody cared," said Michael Reglus, Anthony's uncle.

Collins will be released from prison in 2003.

MAURICE FREEMAN

Age: 23

Last address: 1100 block of E. 74th St., Cleveland.

James Gilmer was shaken last summer when he heard that Maurice Freeman had been charged in the killings of three people in two days.

"I was surprised that he was not in jail," Gilmer said.

Freeman was one of the initial suspects in the killing of Gilmer's stepson, Benjamin McDougall, in 1997. Freeman provoked the fight that led to the shooting but blamed the killing on a friend and testified against him.

In an agreement with prosecutors, Freeman pleaded guilty to aggravated menacing, a misdemeanor, and was sentenced to six months in jail.

Last spring, after Freeman served a six-month prison term for driving a stolen car and assaulting a police officer, police found him with rocks of crack cocaine and a loaded 9 mm handgun.

He was sent back to prison for 60 days for violating his parole. On June 20, Freeman was arraigned on new drug and gun charges stemming from the spring arrest and walked out of the County Jail after posting $5,000 bail.

A month later, police say, Freeman killed Kenneth Johnson and Starr Hudson. Two days later, they say, he killed Alfonso Amos.

5 posted on 11/25/2001 12:05:29 PM PST by Deadeye Division
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To: Deadeye Division
"We know the nature of the problem. The problem is when we have guns in high-density crime areas."

The problem is when we have criminals in high-density crime areas. Guess what happens when you don't go after the criminals, and outlaw guns instead? What you see here.

6 posted on 11/25/2001 12:06:27 PM PST by coloradan
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To: Deadeye Division
Glock makes something in .380?
7 posted on 11/25/2001 12:07:13 PM PST by coloradan
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To: Deadeye Division
""Prosecutors are under tremendous pressure to get their caseloads manageable," Webster said. "And one of the ways they do that is with gun cases."" (Cleveland Plain Dealer)

Prosecutors do plea bargaining with any kind of felony. Don't believe me? Talk to any assistant DA - or visit any courtroom where such plea deals are made for a day.

As a court-appointed lawyer, I once got a woman facing 55 years - most for felony forgery, rest for dozens of bad checks - down to three years probation on misdemeanors; that was despite an extensive prior record. I also got a guy facing 30 years for crippling an innocent man he beat with a chair leg in a gang attack down to 10 years - also despite an extensive prior felony record.

It's not about guns - but about a criminal-justice system in meltdown. Plea bargaining does let DAs clear dockets by the end of the day - but it very soon has them facing the same guys back again. Plea bargaining is worse than worthless.

Scandals of antigun politicians - coast to coast

8 posted on 11/25/2001 12:07:26 PM PST by glc1173@aol.com
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To: Deadeye Division
"It's not difficult to have a [database] field that says, 'GUN,' " Bell said.
Come on! Look at the number of times he was stopped. Count the number of times he's been involved in a violent act. What more evidence do you need? Oh I forgot we have to blame the gun. And get more money for improved software.
9 posted on 11/25/2001 12:08:09 PM PST by lelio
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To: Deadeye Division
So the moral of this story is:

(A) Gun control in Cleveland does not reduce criminal behavior, because the criminal element does not abide the laws. That's what makes them criminals.

(B)The revolving door criminal justice system, in it's socialist wisdom, is a failure, except for expanding government, and keeping lawyers busy.

God Bless America!

10 posted on 11/25/2001 12:21:48 PM PST by JFoxbear
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To: glc1173@aol.com
As a court-appointed lawyer, I once got a woman facing 55 years - most for felony forgery, rest for dozens of bad checks - down to three years probation on misdemeanors; that was despite an extensive prior record. I also got a guy facing 30 years for crippling an innocent man he beat with a chair leg in a gang attack down to 10 years - also despite an extensive prior felony record.

How proud you must be.

Tell me, did these fine, upstanding, misunderstood people go on to victimize any other citizens when they should have been in jail?

And they ask my why I don't like lawyers.

11 posted on 11/25/2001 12:23:20 PM PST by PLMerite
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To: PLMerite
There should have been a BARF alert with this post.
12 posted on 11/25/2001 12:51:12 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Deadeye Division
Mandatory minimum sentences!

Is that so difficult to figure out?

13 posted on 11/25/2001 1:08:44 PM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: Deadeye Division
Title might as well be "Project Exile Backfires". With the new additional mandatory minimum sentencing guidlines, petty criminals now have their crimes plea bargained away because the punishments seem "too harsh" to the judges and prosecutors in question.

At the same time...you and I, should we be caught with a non-violent firearms violation WILL go to jail for 5 years mandatory minimum as it will likely be the ONLY crime we've ever committed.

Selective enforcement in sentencing.
14 posted on 11/25/2001 1:17:27 PM PST by Maelstrom
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To: glc1173@aol.com
"I once got a woman facing 55 years - most for felony forgery, rest for dozens of bad checks - down to three years probation on misdemeanors; that was despite an extensive prior record. I also got a guy facing 30 years for crippling an innocent man he beat with a chair leg in a gang attack down to 10 years - also despite an extensive prior felony record."

On the one hand, I'd like to get your name/number in case I ever need to kill or maim someone, and don't want to do a lot of time.

On the other hand, since it's unlikely I'll ever do anything like that unless I'm legally defending myself, I think I'll just hope you get hit by a truck, and never practice law again.

15 posted on 11/25/2001 1:21:05 PM PST by fourdeuce82d
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To: Deadeye Division
While we're anguishing about where to sent captured Al Qaida; Guam, Johnson Island, Wake,??, why don't we anguish where to send these killers?

Why not send them to the one of these remote Islands (personally, I prefer the Aleutians) and give them full sentences? In a couple of years, the load will be off the court systems except for newbies. Surely there is room on some of these remote Islands for thousands of these criminals to serve full and complete sentences! 100,000? 1,000,000? Who knows? Who cares? Maybe a few will die in prison of old age or disease (or cold, or bugs)?

Let's open up a new "Devils Island" and watch the crime rate plummet in Cleveland and everywhere else in America!

16 posted on 11/25/2001 1:36:05 PM PST by Gritty
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To: Deadeye Division
The dirty little secret here is that the gun charges are the first to be dropped, even though they are easily proved. In Milwaukee we have billboards all over claiming that "felons with guns do time"; it's a lie. The fact that in all 49 states (don't ask; you don't want to know) the gun charge is the first to be dropped. This shows that all these "get tough on crime" gun laws are designed only to affect the law abiding citizen who has a gun for self defense. Otherwise law abiding citizens who are caught with a gun ARE charged with a gun violation. When that is the only "crime", it can't easily be plea-barganed away.

MARK A SITY
http://www.logic101.net/

17 posted on 11/25/2001 1:49:29 PM PST by logic101.net
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To: glc1173@aol.com
"As a court-appointed lawyer, I once got a woman facing 55 years - most for felony forgery, rest for dozens of bad checks - down to three years probation on misdemeanors; that was despite an extensive prior record. I also got a guy facing 30 years for crippling an innocent man he beat with a chair leg in a gang attack down to 10 years - also despite an extensive prior felony record."

Are you proud of these accomplishments?

--Boris

18 posted on 11/25/2001 1:59:45 PM PST by boris
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To: PLMerite
Beat me to it.
19 posted on 11/25/2001 2:00:22 PM PST by boris
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To: Gritty
"Why not send them to the one of these remote Islands"

I call this the "Coventry approach", due to a story by Robert Heinlein.

My solution is similar: take 100,000 square miles of Dakota Badlands or lease a similar patch of British Columbia. Surround it with a triple electrified "death fence" and patrols with armed guards and dogs. Anyone escaping will be shot on sight.

Anyone who is convicted of a felony gets a one-way trip to "Coventry"; a survival pack, a parka, and a hearty shove out of an airplane with a parachute. Every sentence is a life sentence without possibility of parole.

Break the social compact...adios.

It's humane, and the anti-death-penalty types should love it. It's cheap.

BTW, Heinlein's protagonist (who got sentenced to Coventry for punching somebody in the nose) found the society that had evolved there was very orderly and polite...

--Boris

20 posted on 11/25/2001 2:04:59 PM PST by boris
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