Posted on 11/23/2001 11:25:18 AM PST by Alouette
Our rights are precious and hard fought for by generations of patriots. Why on earth would we grant those rights to non-citizens? What's the point of becomming a citizen if you get all the benefits of citizenship without any kind of committment? These people have consistantly used our laws and our rights in order to obtain the freedom to wipe us out. Are we so stupid that we can't see the difference between those who would become Americans and those who would destroy America?
One can't help but think that the alien terrorists believed that they could commit acts of terrorism against the U.S. forever and they would have "civil rights" to protect them as they brought the country down. Can't you just hear them, "O.J. Simpson murdered his wife and nothing happened to him." "Clintoon sold military secrets to China and nothing happened to him." And on and on and on.
So, ergo, "Nothing will happen to us. If we are caught, we will have a trial and get off. We can kill all the jurors who try to convict us, and nothing will happen to us. If we go to jail, we can plan more attacks through our attorneys. We have civil rights. We can attack the soft, fat underbelly of Western civilization and the civil rights lawyers will defend our right to do so."
Followed by much laughing in the terrorist cells about all the possible attacks with no down side for them.
Because of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment. Without it, Constitution colapses, like collateral damage of 911.
Terrorists have been trialed in Federal Courts already (WTC 1993 bombers)
Just look at the timing of the WTC attacks. They struck on Setember 11 one day before the embassy bombers were to be sentenced in court. The federal court where the trial was held is about a block from the WTC. Don't you think that this was also an attempt to intimidate the jury?
How do you expect these guys to be stopped. You don't want to allow law enforcement to use wire taps, you don't want them monitoring the e-mail of suspects, you want the taxpayers to pay for their defense but you don't want those same taxpayers to find out what the defense they are paying for is saying to the criminals they are defending. It's just stupid to do that. They want confidentiality, let them pay for their own defense in the country of their origin.
Good grief, you'd think we are just picking people up off the streets just because we want to. There is a reason these people have been taken in and there's a reason they are being held. There are millions of Muslims and Arab-Americans in this country and they are NOT all being held.
B.S. The Fourteenth Amendment is not part of the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution did quite well before it was enacted.
It has been the basis of all sorts of pernicious mischief, and should be repealed--yesterday.
Among other outrages, it makes anyone born on U.S. soil an instant citizen, enabling the phenomenon of "anchor babies" deposited here by hordes of illegal aliens.
I have long argued that an amendment is needed which replaces the word "person" with "citizen" everywhere in the Constitution, and another that spells out the correct definition of a "native born" citizen--namely that one of your parents must be a citizen in order for you to be considered a citizen. If neither parent is a citizen, you should NOT be a citizen--regardless of where your mother happened to drop you.
--Boris
Why on earth would we grant those rights to non-citizens? Because of the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendment. Without it, Constitution colapses, like collateral damage of 911. Terrorists have been trialed in Federal Courts already (WTC 1993 bombers)WHY????? Well, to quote my good friend Michelle Malkin:
More than $7 million in U.S. taxpayer funds went to lawyers who defended Mohamed Rashed Daoud Al-'Owhali, Khalfan Khamis Mohamed, Mohamed Sadeek Odeh and Wadih El-Hage. Translation services alone totaled $1.4 million, according to a New York Times report earlier this summer. The paper found that our money even went to reimburse El-Hage's lawyers for the cost of dry cleaning his "thobe, a traditional Arab garment that their client wore in court, and other clothes. The bill ran to $108."
Who are these people our money defended? They are the four murderous thugs who helped orchestrate and carry out the terrorist attacks on our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998. They killed 224 people, including 12 Americans. They had been obeying Osama bin Laden's "fatwa" to slaughter American soldiers and civilians around the world...
It's sickening to know that these four terrorist killers -- aided in their publicly-funded defense by blame-America-firsters and race-card opportunists -- are alive and well on our soil. It's an outrage to imagine them enjoying three square meals a day. Reading. Relaxing. Praying. Rejoicing for their conspirators around the world. Cursing our country with every unencumbered breath they draw.
It doesn't have to be this way. Nearly six decades ago, America discovered terrorist schemers in the nation's midst and swiftly paid them in kind. In June 1942, two teams of Nazi German terrorists (analogous to bin Laden's "cells") hopped aboard submarines and landed on the shores of Amagansett Beach, Long Island, N.Y., and Ponte Vedra Beach, Fla...One of the eight plotters got cold feet and exposed the Nazi plans. President Roosevelt refused to grant civilian jury trials to the belligerent saboteurs. Instead, he immediately appointed a secret military commission to try the cases. All eight were found guilty and sentenced to death. Six were executed on Aug. 8, 1942, in Washington, D.C... Read the full column HERE.
Yes, I have. Had been harrassed and terrorized for it. By the CLINTON INJUSTICE DEPARTMENT. And I STILL say, that Islam is a disguise and a charade and the American Public is being spoonfed the *poor* Muslim routine until it makes me gag even thinking about it. I have nightmares about it. This action is NOT against American Citizens. It is NOT against anyone who doesn't or hasn't had ties to terrorists or terrorist governments who want to destroy us. I can fight for justice for myself. I cannot fight anything if my country is gone.
There is justice and maybe it isn't on this earth in any way we recognize it, but surely there is justice somewhere. We will all have it one day. In the meantime, there is no INJUSTICE that I can feel is unjustified against these people that is worth allowing one evildoer who might murder one, one dozen, one hundred, or one million of us if they got ONE chance. I prefer they NEVER get that chance.
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