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Europe-Wide Alarm For Heroin Cut With Anthrax
Itlay-News ^ | Nov 23,01

Posted on 11/22/2001 10:26:32 AM PST by runningbear

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To: constitutiongirl
Alcohol's a "pretty nifty poison" as well. So is nicotine. who cares then if murderers are cutting these poisons with more poison?

Murder of your fellow citizens with Anthrax poisoning: for it or against? Or are you only against for certain people?

121 posted on 11/23/2001 8:43:48 AM PST by Melinator
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To: GregoryFul
I won't pretend to know how God judges people.

If the bloodthirsty louts want their government to turn a blind eye to Anthrax attacks on certain segments of American society, they should start a petition. Something like:

"I, the undersigned, hereby support excluding the following segments of American society from protection against Anthrax attacks: Drug users, gays, women who've had abortions, American Muslims, etc. Only the worthy, such as myself, should be afforded such protections."

122 posted on 11/23/2001 8:50:51 AM PST by Melinator
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To: Happygal
No one is talking about a drug overdose, or a "bad heroin cut". We are talking about the deliberate Anthrax poisoning of certain groups of people. That is mass murder. That fact apparently gives you no pause if it happens to be against a group whom you personally dislike. Are there any other groups of your fellow citizens for whom you support mass murder? Oh, that's right, you Irish like to kill eachother over who has the best system of Christian worship. Suddenly I understand and pity you.
123 posted on 11/23/2001 8:56:31 AM PST by Melinator
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To: runningbear
They'll sure "see the light" when they die from Anthrax poisoning! Never use drugs again I'd reckon. Anyone else you'd like to see die from it? Alcoholics perhaps?
124 posted on 11/23/2001 9:00:36 AM PST by Melinator
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To: another1
I too am unsurprised. As you see, I can even rub their faces right in it, and they continue to insist it is fine! I'm sure there are more than a few amongst them who would support mass murder of alcohol drinkers too.
125 posted on 11/23/2001 9:04:20 AM PST by Melinator
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To: Melinator
``No one is talking about a drug overdose, or a "bad heroin cut".

Ummmm, around these parts Anthrax infused heroin constitutes a `bad cut'.

BTW...save yer pity for someone who needs it. And go read a bit about the Irish situation honey ~pattin' ye on the head~. Now run along! *S*

126 posted on 11/23/2001 9:06:05 AM PST by Happygal
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To: Melinator
One has to look at such a news item with some skepticism in the first place, doesn't one? ... why would anyone want to lace one of their leading cash crops with anything? it's just bad advertising, is what it is ...
127 posted on 11/23/2001 9:07:50 AM PST by JennysCool
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To: ItCanHappenToYou
Alcohol kills far more people, ruin hundreds of times more lives, and is involved in levels of domestic violence which make anything you've ever seen from "drug addicts". Should alcohol users die? Should we care if someone decides to poison them en masse? Should we take any steps to try to protect them? Or do you only support murdering people who are not part of your "class" [no class whatsoever, I mean].
128 posted on 11/23/2001 9:10:16 AM PST by Melinator
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To: ItCanHappenToYou
So... you make no distinction between a person who knowingly engages in "risky" behaviour, such as drug or alcohol abuse, and the person who deliberately murders them. You should try killing a junkie and then turn yourself in. I'm sure your "moral equivaliency" argument would be well received.
129 posted on 11/23/2001 9:12:57 AM PST by Melinator
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To: ItCanHappenToYou
No one has said anyhwere that it is "OK to use". You have tried (and failed) to show some kind of moral equivalence between a person who takes a drug which he/she does not want to die from and a terrorist who deliberately murders that person. They are both wrong? Sure. Do I care if some junkie dies from a self-inflicted overdose? Yes, but only from compassion. Do I care if some terrorist starts deliberately murdering them? Or alcoholics? Or people who view pornography? Damn right I do.

If you don't care about the murder of your fellow "worthless" citizens, then don't be surprised when no one cares about yours. Given the neo-fascist/socialist bent which America has taken over the last few years, it may be that white, white collar, right wing "capitalist" types will be the next pariahs. Will you expect protection from murder?

130 posted on 11/23/2001 9:33:43 AM PST by Melinator
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To: Happygal
Around these parts, Anthrax infused heroin constitutes "a bad cut"

Strange, because around these parts, Anthrax infused heroin constitutes murder. I wouldn't expect you to understand the difference, until someone slips it into your pint.

131 posted on 11/23/2001 9:40:17 AM PST by Melinator
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To: Melinator
"...I've already said that I do not support her being murdered, what else do you want?"

That's true, you did. Maybe I'm the one who misunderstood your intentions in your earlier post. If so, it's not the first time I've made a mistake. My sincere apologies and no hard feelings I hope.

132 posted on 11/23/2001 11:46:39 AM PST by Paulie
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To: Melinator
Alcohol kills far more people, ruin hundreds of times more lives, and is involved in levels of domestic violence which make anything you've ever seen from "drug addicts".

Which makes anything I've ever seen ...what?

Should alcohol users die?

They do, every day. Alcoholics die terrible, struggling deaths. Because they have so much liver damage, they can't clot their blood. I have seen hundreds bleed to death over the years. Or they go into comas and never come out. What's your point? That we should be protecting addicts from themselves?

Should we care if someone decides to poison them en masse? Should we take any steps to try to protect them?

If people choose to engage in risky behavior knowing it could kill them, that's their choice. That is called personal freedom. With personal freedom comes personal responsibility. They are adults and this is a free country. Their choices are between them and God, not them and me. I know the difference.

Or do you only support murdering people who are not part of your "class" [no class whatsoever, I mean].

I thought ad hominem attacks were not allowed on this board.

133 posted on 11/23/2001 1:17:57 PM PST by ItCanHappenToYou
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To: Melinator
So... you make no distinction between a person who knowingly engages in "risky" behaviour, such as drug or alcohol abuse, and the person who deliberately murders them.

Using heroin and murder are both morally unacceptable acts. Do you disagree?

You should try killing a junkie and then turn yourself in. I'm sure your "moral equivaliency" argument would be well received.

Equivalency.

134 posted on 11/23/2001 1:22:44 PM PST by ItCanHappenToYou
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To: runningbear
Why put anthrax in dope?

It doesn't kill anybody "society" at large is going to go war over ... realistically. To get a government to "abort" Isreal (Which is their real motive anyway .... why would a "western" government like the US, Germany, or the UK - the only ones that matter financially and military to Isreal - why would these governments change their foreign policy on such a critical issue if dope addicts are getting (perhaps) killed?)

Second - We keep getting told that inhaled - as finely ground anthrax "dust" is the only real danger -> put anthrax in coke supplies, perhaps then (which might start killing "society's elite drug users!) but not in heroin, which is injected.

135 posted on 11/23/2001 1:27:28 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE
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To: atafak
OKay - Then look in Zim./Libya for these particular anthrax poisoners .... seems they have the method (through Libya), the motive (money - by "corrupting the Afghan drugs), and the opportunity (through his agents already in that part of Africa - and his agents already in Afghanistan.)

It still doesn't make sense to poison opium/heroin - unless you want to put an awful economic hurt on the supplies of the drug. <>But what druggie (who is already killing himself with his dope - and seems perfectly happy doing so, and should be continued to be given the "right" to do so, at least according the posters above! ) is going to worry about anthrax in his dope?

136 posted on 11/23/2001 1:35:06 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE
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To: alloysteel
Robert Downey Jr.
137 posted on 11/23/2001 1:38:57 PM PST by dagnabit
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To: Melinator
No one has said anyhwere that it is "OK to use". You have tried (and failed) to show some kind of moral equivalence between a person who takes a drug which he/she does not want to die from and a terrorist who deliberately murders that person.

I completely disagree. A person who is addicted to heroin, which is what this thread is about, is killing themselves slowly. It's slow suicide. That is my considered opinion. When people continue to indulge in behavior that they know is high risk, somewhere deep in their psyche, they wish to die. That is my opinion.

They are both wrong? Sure. Do I care if some junkie dies from a self-inflicted overdose? Yes, but only from compassion. Do I care if some terrorist starts deliberately murdering them? Or alcoholics? Or people who view pornography? Damn right I do.

And if they continue to use/drink/view knowing that they run the risk of getting a lethal dose...who is responsible?

If you don't care about the murder of your fellow "worthless" citizens, then don't be surprised when no one cares about yours.

I expect no one but my family and friends to mourn my death. The rest of your sentence is highly colored hyperbole.

Given the neo-fascist/socialist bent which America has taken over the last few years, it may be that white, white collar, right wing "capitalist" types will be the next pariahs. Will you expect protection from murder?

Oh, now I get it. You don't like capitalists. You don't like those people who bring you a safe, plentiful and cheap food supply, treat your illnesses, supply the power and phone lines for your computer, purify your drinking water, light your streets, fuel your vehicle, ad infinitum? Those terrible people who make civilization possible? Who, working together in concert, keep the wolf from the door? So that's who you are. My friend, your passion is admirable but terribly misdirected. Twenty years of living will cure you. Hang on to this thought, Melinator; someday, if you are lucky, you'll grow up to be just like me. Someday - if you are lucky.

138 posted on 11/23/2001 2:43:51 PM PST by ItCanHappenToYou
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To: ItCanHappenToYou

Using heroin and murder are both morally unacceptable acts. Do you disagree?

If heroin use is morally unacceptable, I presume, from the evidence you have presented, that alcohol and tobacco use are also morally unacceptable? Should alcohol and tobacco therefore also have penal sanctions that jail their users? If not, why not?

139 posted on 11/23/2001 2:44:14 PM PST by donh
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To: ItCanHappenToYou

Oh, now I get it. You don't like capitalists.

This response is out to lunch: try reading what's said to you with your brights on, and answering the question asked.

140 posted on 11/23/2001 2:46:54 PM PST by donh
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