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HAS ANYONE OUT THERE SEEN THIS, IS THIS A HOAX OR WHAT?
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Posted on 11/21/2001 11:04:43 PM PST by pattycake

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To: PeaceBeWithYou
They will try to tell you that if fails because it hasn't been applied properly, but the real reason is that it creates more problems than it solves, mainly because those pushing for it don't understand human nature and or the real sources of the problems they are attempting to solve.

sustainable growth, hummm? yah, that would create more "blue" zones.

41 posted on 11/22/2001 6:15:18 AM PST by glock rocks
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To: philman_36
More high pay planning jobs for Planners to plan the plan for the planed future. Not to mentions lawyeres for the panners plans, and defence lawyers to fight the planers lawyers plans.
42 posted on 11/22/2001 6:31:57 AM PST by Leisler
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To: pattycake
Bump for later read.
43 posted on 11/22/2001 6:33:58 AM PST by jokar
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To: veryconernedamerican; pattycake
That reply is the smallest piece of horse sh*t I have ever seen, it doesn't say anything at all. You should skip wasting our time posting such garbage!

Member since October 17, 2001!

Thanks for the post pattycake. Its a good starting point for others to provide more detail. Don't let goon squad tactics of disruptors scare you off.

p.s. Anyone know what a "conerned" is?

44 posted on 11/22/2001 6:36:44 AM PST by F-117A
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To: brityank
To save our country, we must stop the government from giving our tax dollars to non-profit non-governmental organizations. These groups are the arm by which the government enforces its totalitarian goals. Its gotta be unconstitutional for the government to give tax money to these groups. We have to prove it and make them stop.
45 posted on 11/22/2001 6:39:54 AM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: pattycake
The newbie's a jerk, & in all probability the consummate boor.

Consider it a blessing to be learning this now, so soon. {g}

46 posted on 11/22/2001 6:45:17 AM PST by Landru
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To: pattycake
Thanks for the information.

Bump

47 posted on 11/22/2001 6:51:01 AM PST by Freebird Forever
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To: F-117A
"p.s. Anyone know what a 'conerned' is?"

I suspect it's the rear-side of a horse.
*If* you wanted to see many more of these walking-talking orifices?
Just zing-on over to DU; becuase, that place is chock-full of 'em.

Wouldn't blame ya if ya didn't, though.
Not as long as we have this 'concerned' one running amok here.

48 posted on 11/22/2001 7:33:47 AM PST by Landru
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To: metesky
Thanksgiving KA-BOOM! ;^)

Socialism is the theory; cannibalism is the practice.

49 posted on 11/22/2001 7:39:04 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: pattycake
HEY PEOPLE! C'mon... This is why we are here at FR- ETERNAL VIGILANCE is the price of Freedom.

The reason the democraps want centralized control and less 'urban sprawl' is because then you only have to win a few counties and you win the national election...

And like Stalin said "Those who cast the votes decide nothing, those who COUNT the votes decide everything..."

50 posted on 11/22/2001 7:41:51 AM PST by Mr. K
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To: pattycake
This article is not BS. And it's certainly not the only aspect of this issue. Click here, read and be concerned
51 posted on 11/22/2001 7:42:50 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: veryconernedamerican
I read all the way to the end of the comments and your moniker doesn't appear again. Please, give us some more comments and possibly some evidence that the article is as you say it is. Words are cheap, evidence is expensive. If you're gonna blow smoke, lets see the fire.

52 posted on 11/22/2001 8:09:49 AM PST by William Terrell
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To: veryconernedamerican
I remind you that hitlery refused to make public the names of the 500 on her committee. Also, she, along with the "manchurian candidate" husband of hers attempted to "take over" the health industry.
As for the subject matter, I will pursue it furthur to see if it's valid or invalid. As outrageous as it seems, I, for one, would not assign "tin foil" status "out of hand". Verify, verify.
FReegards
53 posted on 11/22/2001 8:12:58 AM PST by poet
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To: veryconernedamerican
Standard, sustainable growth stuff . . . It's real and NOT new.
54 posted on 11/22/2001 9:39:18 AM PST by Phil V.
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To: brityank; pattycake
Thanks for the flag, BY! Good post, pattycake!

I live in a "smart" growth area. All of the land here is zoned, even rural land. If you want to own some land, say 5 acres, outside of the urban growth boundary (the boundary that contains the city, and it is a real boundary), and it's zoned agricultural, then you have to work it and make $80,000 per year for 3 years (or $80,000 per year for 3 of 5 years). If you succeed in doing that, then the gov't. will "allow" you build a house. And, you have to keep working the land. If you have an elderly, widowed mother-in-law and would like to build a small house on your property so you could look after her, well, that's NOT allowed. Only one dwelling per farm. The zoning laws here are why it took my husband and I 5 1/2 years to find a lot that didn't require us to grow Christmas trees or have cows! The lot is smaller than we wanted (only 1 acre), but in the city the houses are on top of each other (a 15,000 sq.ft. lot is considered large...I've never lived anyplace where they measured lots in square footage!) and the lots can cost $150,000 and up. Builders will buy an older house, bulldoze it, and put up 6-8 houses on that one lot. I could go on and on, but I've already taken up too much space.

IMHO, it's nuts!

56 posted on 11/22/2001 8:02:31 PM PST by dixiechick2000
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To: Raleigh's Golden Mountaineer
What is a veryconernedamerican? Very conerned american?

Perhaps you should be reading a bit more.

57 posted on 11/22/2001 8:18:17 PM PST by Concentrate
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To: veryconernedamerican
Go crawl back under your rock until you can be civil to others. That was very rude of you.
58 posted on 11/22/2001 8:25:24 PM PST by asneditor
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To: brityank
Another 'piece of the puzzle' information bump.

Thanks for heads up.

59 posted on 11/23/2001 8:19:13 AM PST by Jackie222
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To: pattycake
I wish somebody would do a summary of this article along with an analysis in plain English. I'm not sure what I am reading. Thanks
60 posted on 11/23/2001 1:53:09 PM PST by JudyB1938
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