Posted on 11/21/2001 6:06:07 AM PST by aomagrat
Where do you get it was the "right" that's pro slavery. Democrats were pro slavery, Republicans were for it's abolition. There probably really wasn't a right or left back then anyway.
Home field advantage.
I would also be interested to know how the war would have turned out if the armies of the South stopped being cowards and took their vengeance out on the civilian population like Sherman did in his march to the sea. Yeah, they don't make brave soldiers like that anymore.
Should we be nice to the Taliban too?
I doubt your facts but don't forget Paul was against Christ before he saw the light, and then he became one of the greatest God-inspired writers of the New Testament.
The day we need people who can't see truth and must ignore facts to make themselves feel better is the day that I head for the hills. LOL It'll never come to that. Only people who have a firm grip on reality have been the agents of character in this country.
Any bets on just How Many Copies of Harriett Beacher Stowe's works on on those shelves?? ?? ??
Where did I say I wanted to feel better?
i'm sure that NAMBLA will have their latest book there soon, right along with the commie tripe!!
Every day you and your sore losermen southern cohorts start threads on how evil the North is. That's not baiting? Losing track of reality again I see.
You'll be back in a couple minutes then? :^)
Rebublican did not = conservative in those days. There is always a right and left, a conservative or liberal view. The Republicans were the liberal party in those days.
Well now that's a response worthy of your MA degree, please respond to the point. If you feel so sincere about the treatment of slaves. Surely you would be willing to pay reparations for the North's part in the inhumane treatment of them. You cannot deny that America as a country started and promoted the institution and reaped the benefits.
Or, is your debt paid? You are a hypocrite, the war was not just about slavery, the north prostituted the issue then and they still do today. You used the black man just as liberals do today. The northern states should have to pay a larger share of any reparations.
If you think I am way off base, you better start reading some of the arguments for reparations. The war does not release you from liability according to those who want them.
You are playing with and for the liberals each time you attack the old South.
A better position is that Slavery of any kind is and was wrong. It was the unfortunate bi-product of an evolving nation. The war was not about slavery as an institution but rather how to end or manage an end to it, by the states or the federal government.
I believe there is a point you strive to politically. Today that point is considered conservative. Back then I don't know what it would've been considered. I believe the Republican Party has been relatively consistant in the last 140 years. I hope I would've been abolitionist in 1860, if you want to call me a liberal for that, so be it. Unlike the Dems who were pro-slavery, then pro-welfare;who were pro-supply-side, then socialistic; who were anti-military, then used it to barge in in Yugoslavia; etc. Republicans have always been pro-business with respect to the individual and to Christianity.
What's reparations got to do with the reasons for the Civil War?
You cannot deny that America as a country started and promoted the institution and reaped the benefits.
Every country makes mistakes, but you should learn from them instead of vow to perpetuate them.
Or, is your debt paid? You are a hypocrite, the war was not just about slavery, the north prostituted the issue then and they still do today.
How many slaves do you own?
You used the black man just as liberals do today. The northern states should have to pay a larger share of any reparations.
You're obsessed with reparations, aren't you?
If you think I am way off base, you better start reading some of the arguments for reparations. The war does not release you from liability according to those who want them. You are playing with and for the liberals each time you attack the old South.
So then we should lie about what happened 140 years ago so that we won't get sued for reparations?
A better position is that Slavery of any kind is and was wrong. It was the unfortunate bi-product of an evolving nation. The war was not about slavery as an institution but rather how to end or manage an end to it, by the states or the federal government.
Read South Carolina's Declaration of Secession. They had no intention of trying to end it, they vowed to perpetuate it. They wanted secession and war, they got it.
What is truly amazing is the facts that have been presented from lincoln's unconstitutional acts(at least according to SCOTUS, you do recognize them, don't you?), actual quotes from the majority of northern newspapers about the causes and feelings of northerners towards Southerners, quotes from lincoln's own inaugural speech, quotes from the union generals, documented evidence of misuse of funds, the amount of tariffs AND duties that were robbed from the South for the preceding 30 years and it all comes back to 'well it was in the secession documents!!!'. You and slaveocracy boy need to expand your horizons just a bit perhaps. Were there mistakes made by Southern politicians? Of course there were!! Were there misstatements or statements that could have been worded better? Of course!! To admit otherwise would be to be living in fantasy land as most of the yankee supporters do for some reason.
4. That the maintenance inviolate of the rights of the States, and especially the right of each State to order and control its own domestic institutions according to its own judgment exclusively, is essential to that balance of powers on which the perfection and endurance of our political fabric depends; and we denounce the lawless invasion by armed force of the soil of any State or Territory, no matter under what pretext, as among the gravest of crimes.
That was in lincoln's inaugural address but interestingly enough it was also in the Republican National Platform of 1860. Looks like politicians don't always mean what they say, as evidenced by the Confederacy being provoked into attacking a fort in their own nation against what the platform promises against, but that doesn't change the truth of the good fight the Confederacy held up and the actions of the northern Tyrant
There's just as many decisions that say he did everything constitutionally.
...actual quotes from the majority of northern newspapers about the causes and feelings of northerners towards Southerners,...
Well we all know that newspapers tell the truth and are completely accurate all the time. Don't be so gullible.
...quotes from lincoln's own inaugural speech, quotes from the union generals, documented evidence of misuse of funds,...
Misuse of funds?! Oh my God then we should not have ended slavery because money wasn't spent the way you would have wanted it to.
...the amount of tariffs AND duties that were robbed from the South for the preceding 30 years and it all comes back to 'well it was in the secession documents!!!'.
I'm sure you're full of it because you're full of it on every other issue, but why are you so angry about money matters and why don't you care about the 4 million that had to live in barns with fifty other men while their wives and daughters were being used by slavemasters and their sons? How would you like to live the rest of your life in a barn with 50 other men with no chance of ever getting out and making a better living for yourself. You only live once.
You and slaveocracy boy need to expand your horizons just a bit perhaps.
Look who's talking. You have no sympathy whatsoever for those who were slaves. You're so angry about what you think was constitutional violations when the ultimate violation of a person's dignity would've went on for a lot longer if the Radical Republicans hadn't made their stand. Thank God for Lincoln, the Radical Republicans, and the North's victory. They defeated those who wanted to make a large part of America a permanent Sudan.
Were there mistakes made by Southern politicians? Of course there were!! Were there misstatements or statements that could have been worded better? Of course!! To admit otherwise would be to be living in fantasy land as most of the yankee supporters do for some reason.
All I know is that the result of the Radical Republican's efforts were the freedom of a large contingent of Americans. Lincoln managed to do it Constitutionally which makes it even better. Thank God you lost. This isn't the Sudan.
4. That the maintenance inviolate of the rights of the States, and especially the right of each State to order and control its own domestic institutions according to its own judgment exclusively, is essential to that balance of powers on which the perfection and endurance of our political fabric depends; and we denounce the lawless invasion by armed force of the soil of any State or Territory, no matter under what pretext, as among the gravest of crimes. That was in lincoln's inaugural address but interestingly enough it was also in the Republican National Platform of 1860. Looks like politicians don't always mean what they say,...
I consider slavery one of the gravest of crimes. I'm sure Lincoln considered breach of contract and rebellion a grave crime. If the South wanted to secede, they should have worked out terms of separation, instead they rebelled, breaching the Constitution.
...as evidenced by the Confederacy being provoked into attacking a fort in their own nation against what the platform promises against,...
They just couldn't leave it alone could they. LOL They thought they could whoop us, they attacked, they found out they couldn't whoop us, the best side won, America was saved, it's people freed, game over, 140 years ago, get over it.
...but that doesn't change the truth of the good fight the Confederacy held up and the actions of the northern Tyrant
You should know all about tyranny, you wanted to enslave 4 million of your fellow Americans, the ultimate tyranny. America has a record of defeating tyranny, 1865 being no exception.
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