Posted on 11/19/2001 6:16:00 PM PST by sweetliberty
And to mine.
"An entire society of people who have so little in life have been condemned here and I find that though appalling and intolerant"
I haven't seen in these posts any blanket attack on the people of the Middle East. Most of them are slaves to tyrants, which is why they ARE so poor. Most have never had the choice of what religion to follow because it was dictated to them from the beginning, and no doubt most have seen the penalties of "choosing" otherwise. Islam as interpreted by those who are its enforcers, is violent, oppressive and militant and rules with the weapon of fear.
Even in America, some of the most militant and divisive groups of people are adherents to Islam; I am referring to to those like Mfume, and Sharpton and members of the NAACP, to name a few. I would like to believe that the furthur encroachment of this religion into our cities and communities poses no real threat to us, but unfortunately I cannot.
There would be no point in my examination of an Arabic text, as I wouldn't know if it said "Allah" or "Uncle Josh", since I can't read Arabic.
I do know that I've seen several instances of Arab Christians protesting that they do not use the word "Allah" to refer to God.
In any event, I hardly consider a specific translation of the OT to be "proof" that "Allah is God". If the translator(s) were ignorant of the history of the name of the god "Allah", and were instructed to use the word "Allah", then they would use that word, regardless of its inapplicability.
Let's put it into another context, since my "Lord Krishna" example flew right over the collective head collection here.
If you found an OT translation into some arcane middle eastern language, and saw that the word translated as "God" in English was translated at "Baal", would you therefore conclude that "Baal is God"?
Heheheheheheh, now what do you prescribe for my aching sides? :)
Yes, and truly so.
Yet, for some inexplicable reason, you continue to argue on behalf of its adherents, denying the pathetic basis of their position.
If you can't see the difference between an Islamic Sharaiah theocracy and the United States of America, then whatever it is you're smoking ain't doing your braincells much good.
Do you have any references, or is this anecdotal?
-Michael Pelletier.
Well there's your problem in a nutshell -- you think your enemies are your friends. Hint: people who are "very anti-american" are not your friends!
"Plus...the stuff about Mohammed isn't true. It simply isn't true. Mohammed's life is an open book and can easily be researched."
Um, I don't think you really want to go there. His life really is an open book, and it ain't the one you've been preaching from. Ten minutes of research would put the lie to all the tripe you've been pumping up our clymers for lo this tiresome thread.
The hell it was. The stuff he described is happening now in islamic countries.
Yeah, look at the pyramids.
I'm not surprised you claim that Islam built the pyramids. Your accuracy rate remains consistent.
I have seen several instances right here on FR of it. No, I do not have chapter and verse to provide to you, as I never expected to have my honesty called into question in that regard.
So, are you calling me a liar?
ROFL! Thank you for pointing that out. You saved me the trouble. He is getting tiresome.
With all the claims to the contrary that one finds with a simple Google search, that wouldn't carry much water.
So what do Arabic-speaking Christians call G-d?
See post #77.
Make that "Catholic forces." If we're going to take the heat for the Crusades, we might as well take credit for it too.
forgive Jews who distort the Qur'an, 5:13
So because of their breach of their covenant, We cursed them, and made their hearts grow hard. They change the words from their (right) places and have abandoned a good part of the Message that was sent to them.[] And you will not cease to discover deceit in them, except a few of them. But FORGIVE THEM, AND OVERLOOK (THEIR MISDEEDS). Verily, Allâh loves AlMuhsinûn (gooddoers - see V.2:112).
forgive non-believers, 31:15,
But if they (both) strive with you to make you join in worship with Me others that of which you have no knowledge, then obey them not, but BEHAVE WITH THEM IN THE WORLD KINDLY, and follow the path of him who turns to Me in repentance and in obedience. Then to Me will be your return, and I shall tell you what you used to do.
45:14
Say (O Muhammad SAW) to the believers TO FORGIVE those who (harm them and) hope not for the Days of Allâh (i.e. His Recompense), that He may recompense people according to what they have earned (i.e. to punish these disbelievers, who harm the believers).
treat non-belligerent non-believers with equity, 60:8
Allâh does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allâh loves those who deal with equity.
protect them if they ask you to, 9:6
And if anyone of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) seeks your protection THEN GRANT HIM PROTECTION, so that he may hear the Word of Allâh (the Qur'ân), and THEN ESCORT HIM TO WHERE HE CAN BE SECURE, THAT IS BECAUSE THEY ARE MEN WHO KNOW NOT
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