The Truth About Islam

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[MistyCA]

Look, I think it is pathetic when we stoop to calling people names when we do not agree with them....and that is NOT to say that I myself have not done the same. Indeed, when I speak with my German and Iran idiot friends I am often reduced to four letter words in my frustration. They are very anti-american! I do not see where the other poster has done that. True enough, I have not gone back for days and checked out previous posts. Certainly we all have differences of opinion on various subjects. I don't have a clue what you are talking about with regard to WWII...wish I did, maybe I could be a tie breaker to the debate.

Some of you guys are so set in your beliefs that it is hard for others (like myself) to try to make a point without being attacked as being stupid or brain-dead....or having a congenital defect. If we are truly interested in learning and understanding then we have to open our minds and do more then allow ourselves to get caught up in articles written deliberately for the purpose of conveying something in a one sided manner. Sort of like the Clinton's digging through someone's trash and finding something that they can use to define who that person is to the rest of the world. We know how unfair that can be. WE, better then most, KNOW! I don't want to be a part of that kind of behavior cast upon an entire society of people, many of whom are as good and just and hopeful about life as you and I are. Plus...the stuff about Mohammed isn't true. It simply isn't true. Mohammed's life is an open book and can easily be researched.

[MistyCA]

Good Lord! That was back in 600AD! I bet you had ancestors that held slaves or fought in stupid wars, chased after the Indians or did whatever they did back then! I remember my grandmother being upset to learn that we were descendant of King Harold of Norway. I asked my uncle one day, "Gee, if we were descendants of a King, isn't that a good thing?" He turned and said, "Heck no! King Harold went up and down the coast of Norway and slept with everyone! It was no big deal being descendant of King Harold because everyone was!"

We all have things in the closet don't we? Look what Islam brought to the Middle East. Look at the ancient writings and the poetry and the Mosques, the Taj Mahal, the pyramids. The people of Islam have a right to have pride in their heritage. It was after Mohammed that the sects began to pop up. Sunnies and Shiites and many others that we sub-sects.

By your post I wonder how you classify those 85% and 50% of Muslims in your friend's Mosque who do not support the terrorists? What about them?

[MistyCA]

Yes. I think it has something to do with justification of one's existence. Pretty sad, imo.

[MistyCA]

You know, I watched the documentaries that have been shown on tv about the Taliban and Afghanistan. Just thinking back to the babies lying in their parents arms who can hardly find the strength to take a breath brings tears to my eyes. We are, most of us, so fortunate in the United States to have had forefathers who designed a system of government that would protect us...tame the heathen in us:) and allow us the privilege of believing in someone (God, of course) who could provide us with the strength we needed during the hard times. Someone who we could turn to praise in the good times. I simply can not imagine that we would be the kind of people who would condemn others for also needing faith in their own God (whether or not it is represented by an elephant or whatever...it is their right to have faith!). It is such a stupid fallicy, I think, to believe that the people in the Middle East, many of whom don't even know where the US is, are really interested in harming us when most of them are just struggling through the day to figure out how to get food.

An entire society of people who have so little in life have been condemned here and I find that though appalling and intolerant. And I have to wonder what went wrong with Christianity that we could breed that kind of hatred toward others? The enemy is those who rise against us. Yes! They use the Koran to justify their actions! Yes! They have followers! And YES! The tv makes those followers look like they represent the entire countryside....while the same news can never do justice to the destruction in NY because cameras just don't show the facts well enough. Hmmmm.

[TopQuark]

Take a look at the countries where Islam is in the majority!! There is no peace there. Repressive goverments must suppress the religion and keep it from governing (Egypt, Iraq, Pakistan, Syria..)or it governs with repression of the people and the brutality of the Dark Ages (Afghanistan, Iran, Saudia Ariabia etc...). It is our duty to learn and keep evil far from us.

I agree with every word you said. And I absolutely love the conclusion you reached: it is our duty to learn and keep evil far from us. Indeed, we refused to look this evel in the eye as it was staring at us for a few decades, and in September paid dearly with the blood of our fellow Americans.

The point I was making in previous posts is what you said, too: "the brutality of the Dark Ages." Our Dark Ages. These countries a simply behind us in separating religiousity from nation-making. As a result, they are as brutal, theocratic, and authoritarian as we were long ago.

Observe that our own brutality and lack of democracy in the Dark Ages did not follow from the Bible. It would have been wrong to say even then that Christians are brutal, although some of them were. It woudl be wrong to say that Christians are inherently authoritarian, although all of them were.

(I said that all Christians countries were rather authoritarian because, ironically, it was the pagan Germanic tribes that brought the democratic idea of representation into the Western World. This idea took root in England, resulted several centuries later in Magna Carta of 1215, English Parliment of 1265, and blossomed fully here in America. As you can see, teh way from darkness to light was long and had nothing to do with religion: it started with the pagan Germanic peoples.)

So, just as it would have been wrong to claim that Christians are inherently brutal and their brutality stems from the Bible, it is wrong to say that Muslims are inherently brutal and this trait stems from Koran.

Instead, we observe that brutality is a way of life in the part of the world that is also largely Muslim. We should not forget (and almost all posts ion this board do) that Turkey is a Muslim country but has a tradition of democracy going back to 1920s. This is not little: Christian Russia thus far had just a few yeuars of democracy in all of its history. The Arab Muslim world is, however, still in the Dark Ages. We have been attacked by the Arab Islamic clerics and their bandits, and we should deal with them without mercy. We've got to protect our children, families, and each other.

I am just against attributing savagery to holy books, whether Christian, Jewish, or Muslim.

[MistyCA]

Well said. You seem to be able to use fewer words than me to express yourself. You do so very well.

[MistyCA]

Oh, thank you for that post! You really put it in such better perspective, imo.

[TopQuark]

Funny how the longing for perfection on this earth and its idealism has murdered so many.

The Earth if full of those who love the world and hate people.

[sweetliberty]

Very good article. I just got around to reading it this evening. Thanks for posting the link. I think those who take the time to read this thread along with some of the attached links will acquire a fair understanding of what Islam is and is not, as well as gaining some awareness of the fallacies and opposing opinions about it. In this case, I have acheived what I set out to do.

[sweetliberty]

As a matter of fact I have had quite a bit of training and education and spent 2 years in seminary. I began studying comparative religion 25 years ago, so I'm not just tapping into the headline of the day and running with it. Perhaps you should not automatically make that assumption.

[TopQuark]

Perhaps you should not automatically make that assumption. You are absolutely right, I should not.

As a matter of fact I have had quite a bit of training and education and spent 2 years in seminary. I began studying comparative religion 25 years ago, so I'm not just tapping into the headline of the day and running with it. That is exactly what I would love to see: if you studied these matters, please argue your case, give us references, and let us thereby benefit from your knowledge and wisdom. In your post, however, the comparative arguments were missing --- which is why I "automatically [made] that assumption."

In any event, you may be sure that I did not mean to offend you. In the future, however, kindly argue you case rather than just announce it. It will help us all.

[sweetliberty]

"She lies. All the time, about everything. She gets caught lying. All the time. She continues to lie. Unembarrassed, unrepentant. How can she possibly think she is serving her cause? I just don't get it."

Perhaps Hillary is her role model.

[HP8753]

Fifteen years after his marriage, at age 40, Muhammad had a visitation from a spirit. Supposedly, this spirit told him that he was called of God to be a “prophet” and an “apostle.”

Most likely the same Spirit that enticed EVE to eat the apple.

[sweetliberty]

Actually, I did read the article that you linked to, and I would disagree with you as to it's being unbiased. But that aside, it was unsubstantiated poppycock. Nothing personal.

[WRhine]

What I find curious is the islamist logic that seems to be at play here -- the claims of islam are presented, not for debate, but with the implicit message that they must be accepted, and anyone who doesn't accept them is out of line.

Well put Don. I've noticed that too about Muslims. They have a hard time concealing their inner arrogance about their religion or should I say moon worshiping cult. Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

[sweetliberty]

"Any other Christians here "sickened" by my asking a persistent liar if her lying is "congenital"?"

No.

[Concentrate]

Oh, he's just giving them a taste of their own medicine. If not, get ready to wear a burka! Cheers!

[Concentrate]

By your post I wonder how you classify those 85% and 50% of Muslims in your friend's Mosque who do not support the terrorists? What about them?

God is great! Death to Islam!