Christian leader condemns Islam (Preacher Franklin Graham calls Islam ‘wicked, violent’)

msnbc ^ | 11/16/2001 | By Jim Avila

[HiTech RedNeck]

A Muslim has to take a whale of a lot of nasty sentiments in his book figuratively rather than literally, before he can call it anything even close to a "peaceful religion." Why don't we hear American Muslims cry out in a loud chorus condemning the brand of Islam lived by Osama bin Laden and the like as, at the very least, utterly kooky? Why such muted criticism of the terror attacks? How much do they really agree with the Prophet saying kill, kill, kill? Possibly a lot more than most of us think.

[Buckeroo]

The Koran is not an "ANTI-JEWISH" document. You are a loser, pal.

[Aerial]

Way to go Mr. Graham! Perhaps in the not-to-distant future we can line all the Islamics up and gas them like Hitler did the Jews.

For surely there is no decent Islamic to be found. They are all evil.[/sarcasm of course]

[RaceBannon]

Nice name calling. First, we have posted so many anti-Jewish statements from the Koran here, you must be a new person. That or you are a terrorist yourself. Take your pick.

[Aerial]

It is an Anti-Jewish document, with some anti-Christian sentiment thrown in also.

Ever read the Talmud? There is enough racism in every religion to go around.

[monkeyshine]

There are some decent Islamics, as suprising as it seems. I wish these guys would gain in prominence in the middle east:

Declaration

by the Majlis al-Ulema (Council of Scholars) of the Italian Muslim Association

As-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullahi wa barakatuH (May peace, Allah's mercy and His blessings be upon you)

Allah (God) will bless the nations and true leaders who condemn, in clear uncompromising terms, those parents, teachers, and murderous criminals, who raise children on a poisoned diet of apostasy, hatred and violence. These so-called Muslims send our children to die in acts of fitnah (sedition), while they direct the suicidal sacrifice and slaughter of these children from safe command posts, far from the battle.

In defense of a wicked regime, innocent ignorant children are sent to be killed in criminal actions. This regime even dares to declare that Islam approves of these criminal acts, and compares them to jihad fi sabili-Llah (actions for the sake of Allah).

There are courageous Ulema of Ahlu-s-Sunnah (Sunni scholars) in Jerusalem, risking their lives and the lives of their children by declaring that sedition against the State of Israel, shooting, stabbing and throwing stones at Israelis are acts of fitnah (sedition) and are, therefore, haram (forbidden), deserving Allah's (God's) punishment.

W-Allahi (We swear by Allah's name), one noble Sunni 'alim (scholar) we know, a Sheikh in al-Quds (Jerusalem) who sits on the Advisory Board of the Islam-Israel Fellowship of the Root & Branch Association, prays and fasts for the peace of al-Quds (Jerusalem). He is ready to speak the truth against those who declare anti-Israeli fitnah permissible and dare to compare it to jihad (an act for the sake of God). His son was invited by ten and eleven year old schoolmates to go and throw stones at Israelis. When his son declared, "doing so is haram (forbidden)", the son was harassed by the other boys. A spiritual brother in Italy of this Sheikh was harassed for saying that one who dies as a suicide bomber risks dying the death of jahiliyyah (pre-Islamic pagans).

Since we here in Italy and the free nations are not in the situation of our brothers in the lands of darkness and dictatorship, since no one until now prevents us to speak, we must condemn in absolutely clear and uncompromising voices the people of fitnah (sedition). We must identify by name the criminals who spread Jew-hatred ("anti-semitism" and "anti-Zionism") among Muslims. Know, and may Allah (God) prevent you and us from being counted among al-mufsidun (mischief makers), that Allah (God) prescribed to His servants al-islah (prosperity and peace), and forbade them al-fasad (making mischief).

In the noble Shari'ah (religious law) of Islam (The Faith), as long as a government is established, and as long as this government does not prevent Muslims from abiding by their Din (religion) and to recite the five salawat (prayers) in jama'at (communally), obeying the ruler is wajib (required), except when the ruler compels Muslims to commit haram (forbidden acts). Only in that case is disobeying the government's order wajib (required). However, rebelling against the government is even in this case haram (forbidden), while committing acts of rebellion against the government is the sin of fitnah (sedition), which is worse than murder.

A day is coming when Iman (faith/belief) will be close to disappearing from the earth. On that day calling that which is haram (prohibited) halal (permitted) and visa versa will be common. On that day those who do so will earn a reputation as learned ulema (scholars). On that day only forty men in the whole Ummah (community) will abide by the limits of Allah (God) and will be saved from heresy.

Since that day is now clearly approaching, we must educate Muslims to avoid fitnah (sedition), and cease every act of rebellion against the government established in the territory where they live, be it the State of Israel or any other state in the world that does not prevent Muslims from raising their salawat (prayers) in their masajid (mosques).

Believing that acts of rebellion, such as throwing stones and Molotov cocktails or shooting at the Israeli army, police or civilian population are permissible according to Islamic Shari'ah (Law) is even more dangerous than committing them while convinced that they are haram (forbidden). The one who confuses fitnah (sedition) with jihad (an act for the sake of God) is excused if he does so out of ignorance, but the one who is learned is really risking making batil (nullified) his Islam (Faith).

Rasul-Ullah, sall-Allahu 'alayhi wa sallam (the Prophet Muhammed), said: "There will be a huge fitnah (sedition) within my Community. There will not remain one Arab house where fitnah (sedition) will not enter. Those who die because of it are in the hellfire. The harm of the tongue in that day will be greater than that of the sword".

That day is rapidly approaching now, and especially in Bilad as-Sham (the greater Levant) where the innocent, ignorant and illiterate masses are completely poisoned, perverted and pervaded by fitnah (sedition). The harm of the sword is in committing crimes of sedition and rebellion by using weapons. The even greater harm of the tongue is in declaring this behavior permissible (!), and even deserving a thawwab (reward in the world to come for good deeds) from Allah (God).

May Allah Ta'ala (God the Most High) save Muslims from being involved in fitnah (sedition) and from the risk of mingling their tongues with the tongues of those who commit that harm which is even greater than the harm of the sword.

Praise be to Allah and Allah knows best.

Wa-s-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmat-Ullahi wa barakatuH (May peace, Allah's mercy and His blessings be upon you)

Majlis al-Ulema (Board of Scholars) Italian Muslim Association Rome, Italy

17 Safar, 1422 May 11, 2001 18 Iyar, 5761

[RaceBannon]

The TALMUD is not the Bible.

[Buckeroo]

Call me a "terrorist." Do as you may. But you have encroached upon an area that you have no expertise upon. You are walking upon eggshells shouting that Muslims are bad people.

You are are on my ignorant list.

[RaceBannon]

Well, that you say...makes me proud to be an enemy of someone who refuses to read the source document for yourself, show which of us is smarter...me!

[brat]

And the Anti-God Left goes on the attack! Don't know if you lurk, but you GO FRANKLIN!

[KQQL]

Hey Folks relax !

[KQQL]

Asked by NBC News to clarify his statement, Graham repeated his charge that Islam, as a whole, is an evil.

I am glad he didn't back off what he said intially.
Further, I hope he doesn't back off what he said in the future.

I bet W will not be seen with Franklin anymore and it will hurt Bush not Franklin down the road.

Also, I gald someone has guts to tell the American people the truth, because I was sick of W's 24/7 Islam is peace crap.
Bush didn't need to repeat 24/7 that Islam is peace, I think Once , twice or thrice was enough.!!!

[John Locke]

The Talmud is regarded by almost all Jews as superior to the Tanakh. Where the two disagree, the Talmud takes precedence.

Of course, there's a lot of racist stuff in the OT too. That's one of the (many) problems of organized religion: the bad attitudes of former times tend to get frozen into dogmas and pollute the minds of generations to come. That's a problem in Islam, Chrstianity, and Judaism.

[Buckeroo]

You don't seem to understand these folks on FR that "seem" to consider truth.

Race .. is just a poor nice guy that raised a few signs toward Bil Clinton because of his disgust about the presidential concept. Race is correct, too. Clinton created the terrorism we, as Americans face, today.

It would be nice if we all got along. Some, like Racebannon, drag their crap everywhere. Even I am not innocent, I drag it, too. I hope we can be more positive in the future.

[KQQL]

you folks can disagree with each other, but calling each other names will not get anyone anywhere.

[Buckeroo]

I have not called anyone a "name."

[kcvl]

``God, we implore You to destroy the United States of America,'' shouted the imam in a sermon Friday. Not a soul flinched. The congregation recited in unison, ``Amen.''

PEACEFUL MUSLIMS! (/sarcasm)

[kcvl]

Newsweek religion editor Ken Woodward

Another IGNORANT "expert".