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Dell owners, assist a rookie?

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:32 PM PST by ErnBatavia

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To: Dog Gone
No, the Dell is over-rated.... maybe good a year ago but today.... there is no effective support.... I have a Dell 8100 and it is an un-ending DUD.
21 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:35 PM PST by pointsal
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To: MississippiMan
Mississippi, what difference is there between the P3 and P4, as in cost vs whatever the difference in number makes?
22 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:35 PM PST by Delmont
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To: ErnBatavia
which would be used for heavy Freeping, lots of internet surfing (some, as in Rush, which are heavy on sound and graphics), letter writing, making greeting cards and some photo work

Do you really need to upgrade from your 233? If you want faster internet, with sound and video, etc., you should upgrade your connection, not your computer.

Do you use a dial-up modem, a cable modem, or DSL? How do you connect to the internet?

23 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:36 PM PST by xm177e2
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To: MississippiMan
Mississippi, what difference is there between the P3 and P4, as in cost vs whatever the difference in number makes?
24 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:36 PM PST by Delmont
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To: ErnBatavia
I have never had a problem on my DELL 7750 that wasn't solved over the phone within 5 minutes. That was only two times over 2 years. Both times it was my fault, not DELL.

Best machine made in the world. My advice would be to get as much RAM as you can afford and the CD-RW.

25 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:36 PM PST by Rogmonster
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To: Aliska
For technical information on current hardware, go to

www.tomshardware.com

There you will find more information than you ever wanted to know. Good resource if you're thinking about building your own, too.

26 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:36 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: ErnBatavia
XP Bad!


27 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:37 PM PST by July 4th
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To: ErnBatavia
The sweet thing with Dell is the cool Asset tag # that they put on your box...
This way if you ever have anything go wrong, you can just go to the Dell site, punch in your tag # and you can get advice, drivers, etc..etc..

also it makes figuring out what kind of RAM to buy a snap...
28 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:37 PM PST by birbear
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To: ErnBatavia; MississippiMan
MM is right about Dell's drop off in service. Still, they make a nice machine and it's hard to beat their prices for the quality they provide. DO NOT get a Gateway, whatever you do. I bought a Gateway laptop recently and, although their technical support is very good, it took me two months and a half dozen returns to get what I ordered.

One good thing about Dell is their documentation for upgrading is pretty good. At least it was for the machine I bought (and am using now) in '97.

Do not go to your bargain discount appliance store and get an HP either. I've tried that twice--both machines had serious glitches and I had to fight like hell to return them without having to pay a restocking charge.

Consider a mom-and-pop shop that's been around for a while. Typically, they'll build your system to order, and will support it with minimal hassles. Get a list of "satisfied" customers from them before you do, though.

29 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:37 PM PST by be-baw
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To: quimby
I'd go for the separate DVD and CR-RW drives -- that makes it easier copy disks (for starters, make backup copies of your operating system and any other disks you don't want to lose).
30 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:37 PM PST by steve-b
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To: ErnBatavia
That said, broadband access is the ultimate add on. I would take a slower computer with high speed access over a top of the line machine with just a modem. Free Republic threads load in the blink of an eye.
31 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:37 PM PST by July 4th
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LOL! I like it. Somewhere I have a hacked copy of the MS "Where do you want to go today?" splash screen that says "What do you want to re-install today?"
32 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:38 PM PST by tacticalogic
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To: ErnBatavia
I am on my 5th Dell and love the machine (8100) and service.

Suggest that instead of placing the order on-line, call their 800 number. Their sales technicians can help you by asking the right questions about your use.

It is a good time to buy. Lots of good deals available.

33 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:38 PM PST by JonH
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To: spycatcher
Wrongo! Get 500 megs of RAM. Get as much RAM as you can afford and a slower chip. You pay a lot for the fastest chip but that does little good with inadequate RAM. Everything happens in RAM.

I also favor the best video card so it won't be outmoded soon. And I like having a woofer for games and sound.

A flat screen will be much better for the eyes. A smaller flat screen is better than a large, traditional monitor. They look so cool, too. Our college has a bunch of Mac's and they own their space in the computer pit, compared to all the IBM PC's.

34 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:38 PM PST by Chemnitz
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To: Uncle Fud
I would -never- buy a Dell, or an IBM, or a Gateway, or an HP, or a Compaq.

Micron?

35 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:38 PM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: tacticalogic
Bookmarked! Thanks!
36 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:39 PM PST by Aliska
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To: ErnBatavia
First, go with at least a 20GB (which looks to be your minimal choice to begin with) hard drive since Microsoft operating systems are notoriously bloated.

At least 256MB of RAM, don't go higher than 400MB. You don't need anything higher than 400MB. If all you do is Freep, write letters, surf the web, and use graphics programs, you won't go over 200MB usage with an NT-based operating system (these days, that's Windows 2000 and Windows XP). At the moment, with six IE windows open (separate processes), as well as Word 2000 and Adobe Photoshop 5.02, along with several instant messaging programs and system monitors, I'm only at 188MB of memory usage. 256MB is about all you need for anything, but even when I get into stuff like video editing or gaming, I rarely go over 400MB of memory usage. 512MB is maximum, but just to waste electricity and generate more heat, I have 768MB in mine. Heh.

As for video, it really depends on what you intend on using it for. In your case, I recommend staying with whatever the default video it is they give you, since you really don't need an Nvidia GeForce3 video card. That's only if you play games like most people breathe oxygen.

Don't go with Windows ME. WinME is a bug-ridden pile of crash happy crap, and that's putting it lightly. Go with Windows XP, and if they give you a choice, go with Office XP Professional.

With the CD-ROM drives, it's really a case of what you intend to do with them. If all you're going to use it for is to play audio CDs or install software, then just go with a regular CD-ROM drive. If you want to make music CDs or backups of programs, then get a CD-RW drive. If the computer is going to double as a DVD player, then get a DVD-ROM drive. DVD-ROM drives can also read CDs, and the same goes for CD-RW drives.

If you can, get a SoundBlaster LIVE! sound card as opposed to the integrated audio. Most "integrated audio" solutions are incredibly cheap (in value and performance, not price) and tend to cause hardware conflicts.

Looking through the tech specs (back to the operating system), I recommend you go with Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional with the Microsoft Windows XP upgrade. Again, Windows ME is not worth your time and money.

On to warranties. If you can, go with at least a 2-year warranty. You're probably going to use the computer for longer than just a year, so get that warranty. It'll save you a lot of trouble down the road.

As for the minor things:
You don't need an Iomega ZIP drive. They have problems anyways, especially the Internal models (the notorious "Click of Death", for one).
The "Enhanced Performance" Dell USB keyboard is a sham. It doesn't offer you any "enhanced performance", it's just a marketing ploy to get you to spend extra on a "faster" peripheral that doesn't function any differently than a standard keyboard.
The mouse is a different issue than the keyboard. Mice have a tendancy to die a lot more often than keyboards, especially if they're standard analog mice (that is, if they use a rollerball as opposed to an illuminated scanner). Plus you're saved the hassle of having to clean out the mouse every month or so if you get an optical mouse. It's really a situation as to whether you can handle the possibility of the mouse going out (they're easily replaced) and the hassle of having to clean the mouse out once-in-a-while, or biting the bullet to get an optical mouse.
The regular speakers they give you should work, although if anything I'd just tell them to keep the speakers and buy your own. Or, if you want to get creative, you can buy a 3.5mm-to-RCA speaker jack and some RCA stereo audio cable and hook your PC's sound out to a home stereo system. It tends to sound a lot better than the standard two-speaker systems they give you, but that's only if you use the computer for a lot of audio stuff like listening to MP3s or audio CDs.
Unless you're looking to run a network in your house, and I'm assuming you aren't, avoid getting a network card installed. A modem is fine, but you don't need to get a network card unless you're planning on networking your house.

I think that pretty much covers it.

37 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:39 PM PST by Winged Elf
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To: Delmont
Mississippi, what difference is there between the P3 and P4, as in cost vs whatever the difference in number makes?

Well for starters, P3 systems use standard PC-133 RAM which has gotten dirt cheap. $20-30 per 256 MB module. Most P4 mobos (motherboards) use Rambus memory, which costs three or four times as much, yields no additional performance that I can detect in everyday use, and is IMO a memory format doomed to fail.

There are also some issues about instructions-per-clock-cycle and clock cycles themselves that can cause the P3 to perform better than you might think vs. the P4. I haven't priced out a system in the past couple of months, but I think you could probably save somewhere in the neighborhood of $300-400 for the same level of machine just by going P3 instead of P4. I replaced a P3 with a P4 around six months ago after a lightning strike and it was definitely the wrong move.

RAM makes a huge difference. SPEED OF HARD DRIVE makes a huge difference. These are usually the real performance bottlenecks in a system, not the CPU.

MM

38 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:39 PM PST by MississippiMan
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To: steve-b
I'd go for the separate DVD and CR-RW drives -- that makes it easier copy disks (for starters, make backup copies of your operating system and any other disks you don't want to lose).

If it is easier for you, then do it. But copying the cd to harddrive, and then burning is really very easy. And with the speed of newer systems it only takes a couple minutes longer than drive to drive copies.

39 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:48 PM PST by quimby
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To: Winged Elf
Everybody - thanks! It's obvious that some of you spent a ton of time helping. I'm now going to the little heart thingie on my AOL screen and saving this thread. Very much appreciated.
40 posted on 11/16/2001 1:20:49 PM PST by ErnBatavia
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