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'I Know What I Saw...'
Boston Herald via Rense.com ^ | 11/13/01 | Peter Gelzinis

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:09:50 PM PST by smorgle

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To: smorgle
.......a mayor, a president's spokesman and a slew of FAA officials were urging us to think "accident."

Kool Aid Anyone?
41 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:17 PM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: fourdeuce82d
Idiot reporter.

Explosion way forward of wing/engine line... so the vertical stabilizer, at the opposite end of the A/C comes off!!!! His news room is probably proud of him for his deathless prose!

To look into Eugene Sanfilippo's eyes was to see there were no coincidences.

Anyone wonder what I mean about idiot reporters assuming opinion and delivering it as fact!

42 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:17 PM PST by MindBender26
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To: FreeTally
But this doesn't deter most Freepers from yelling, "The Feds are lying, the Feds are lying".

You're right. The Feds would never lie. I believe every word they say.

43 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:17 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: The Chief
Aluminum dry rot.

It's been in all the tehnical journals.

44 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:18 PM PST by steve in DC
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Believing the Feds would never lie is no stupider than believing they always lie.
45 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:18 PM PST by dead
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To: nevergore
Nice job, especially the point about the pressure on the government. Thing is, if they want to limit damage AND blame this on catastrophic structural failure(s), why aren't they calling for Airbuses to be grounded and inspected?
46 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:18 PM PST by smorgle
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To: paul544
You know what? I'm getting really tired of experts such as yourself insinuating that anyone who questions the latest NTSB/CNN "most probable cause of crash" theories is a tin-foil hat wearing, Yeti chasing, Whack job conspiracy theorist.

The first thing we heard from these folks, in the face of many eyewitness reports that the plane blew up in midair, was that "terrorism is not suspected". Next we hear that since there is no evidence of terrorism, there's no need to investigate the matter as anything more than an accident. "Uncontained engine failure" we were told. This is why the eyewitnesses saw an explosion and the plane wing and fuselage in flames before it folded up and fell to the ground. Not terrorists, you tinfoilers! People questioned how such a failure could rip the plane apart. "It certainly could rip the plane apart!" the experts such as yourself re-assured. But there are no penetrations of the cowling around the engine. Uncontained failure is ruled out.

OK then, how about a goose? It was obviously a goose strike or something similar that caused the engines to fall off. A goose will not usually rip a plane apart, but hey, it sometimes happens. Anyone who thinks this was some kind of terrorist act is a kook! A goose is a much more likely explanation. But there's no evidence of geese or engine failure.

Ok then, how about a "wake" from a plane that took off 2m 20s earlier? Those wakes are quite vicious. Strong swirling winds from a preceding takeoff must have ripped the beautiful though extremely delicate Airbus into chunks. 2m 20s is an unreasonably long period of time for the wake to have propagated?

Ok then, the Airbus must have caught up to the plane that was ahead of it. Not that such an event would have turned up on the control tower radar. See, even CNN agrees, 2m 20s has now become 1m 30s and a catch-up!

Once the wake theory is discounted, perhaps NSTB/CNN will tell us that some heavy baggage must have shifted, or that an unusually large bug hit the windshield, causing the exact type of vibration needed to disintegrate the airframe kingpin that keeps the plane from blowing up.

People do not like being taken for fools. Given that crashing planes full of people and fuel has featured prominently in terrorist activities in the last few years, and since the U.S. is under attack by terrorists, and since everyone has been beseeched again and again to be on the highest possible permanent state of alert it might seem logical to suspect and investigate this as a deliberate act. That's just plain nutty hey Paul? Why don't we have an inquiry into Bigfoot... idiot.

47 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:32 PM PST by Melinator
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To: smorgle
We're at war. It was Gremlins. It'll always be Gremlins. 'Ware the Gremlins! :D
48 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:32 PM PST by BradyLS
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To: PBRSTREETGANG
But the Gang of Three say that we had it coming due to past oppression, the Bush tax cuts, and not listening to the will of the people.
49 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:33 PM PST by BradyLS
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To: MindBender26
This is pretty clearly intended as a human interest piece, not straight news reporting. I went to the Herald on line to see what section this was originally printed in but couldn't find out. My bet would be back in National news, not on the front page.
50 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:33 PM PST by smorgle
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To: dead
Believing the Feds would never lie is no stupider than believing they always lie.

Who said they always lie? It is not "extremist," or "anti-government wacko," or "tinfoil hat," or "conspiracy theorist," or any of your DNC focus-group tested words to have serious questions about the government's conduct of this investigation and the "mechanical failure spin" that's been put out by it almost from the moment Fl. 587 impacted. Quit pigeon-holing doubters of the government releases as "crazies," and chances are that fewer people will call you a "government lackey."

51 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:33 PM PST by Map Kernow
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To: Wolfie; smorgle
Forgive me, but wasn't that John Lithgow in that one?
52 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:35 PM PST by thefactor
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To: BradyLS
Updated watch list:

terrorists
box cutters
funny mail
black holes in skin
speeding hazmats
moose
Gremlins

53 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:35 PM PST by smorgle
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To: thefactor
In the movie version. Mash here for IMDb page.
54 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:39 PM PST by smorgle
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To: Map Kernow
Who said they always lie?

Who said they never lie? Geez, did you overlook the point, just so you could post that breathless rant.

Quit pigeon-holing doubters of the government releases as "crazies,"

Find a post where I’ve done that, and I won’t think you’re crazy.

and chances are that fewer people will call you a "government lackey."

Nobody’s done that yet, you can be the first. Go ahead, I’m waiting.

55 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:39 PM PST by dead
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To: Melinator
I have a loyalty problem. Because I voted for George W. Bush, I can no longer question the government or any of its millions of employees lest I be accused of secretly wishing Al Gore had been elected. Since George W. Bush is president, all employees of the federal government must now be believed. I know my version of blind loyalty sounds more like Taliban than American but, hey, that's patriotism!

(I secretly agree with your posting but I can't admit it. Sorry)

56 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:40 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
I forgive you.
57 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:42 PM PST by Melinator
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To: smorgle
Because plausible denile is better than an out right lie.......

If they called for a grounding of all Airbus Aircraft, Airbus would have no choice but to state the crash was not related to the aircraft......

This would cause consumers to withdraw from flights.....

Leading to a market retraction and related finacial problems.....

The market doesn't care what caused the crash, only how the public percieves it....

NeverGore

58 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:42 PM PST by nevergore
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To: discostu
I read an article lately about witness testimony and ID line-ups. You're right, subtle suggestions in the way things are presented can lead witnesses to edit their memories in a certain direction. However, eyewitness statements given soon and spontaneously--without suggestions--are far less likely to be molded. The tests test the power of suggestion more than memory itself.

Interesting footnote--In the parrt I read about line-ups, people were much likelier to make a false ID if there was a suggestion that the perp was in the line-up. It was as though they thought they were "supposed to" find him. When there was no indication one way or the other, their accuracy was nearly 100%. The researchers have tried to educate police departments around the country to improve their ID success and cut down on bad arrests but without much success. Sorry I can't tell you the article, but it may have been in The New Yorker.

60 posted on 11/16/2001 1:10:45 PM PST by smorgle
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