Abortion and Rights: Applying Libertarian Principles Correctly

Libertarians for Life ^ | Doris Gordon

[fod]

You "get it"

Thanks for the input, and keep up the good fight.

[fod]

pathetic that you feel a need to push away those that agree with you on this issue...

[NC_Libertarian]

Pro-Life Libertarian Bump!

[Alas]

Was not insinuating that there was, I was simply making the statement that no one has the right to kill a baby trapped in the womb with no place to run and no way to defend him or herself.

[NC_Libertarian]

Of course not. There's not a more fundamental right then the right to live.

[fod]

and a bump back at ya

[MrLeRoy]

the pregnant woman is not a mere bystander who may choose to save or not save an endangered person. Since she is a cause of the child's predicament, then presumably the woman does have a duty to protect her child from harm.

I have made this argument in another forum, and have lately been stumped by the following rebuttal: If X voluntarily commits an act that results in harm to Y, X may have an obligation toward Y---but only the obligation to restore Y to the status Y had before X's act. In the case of woman X's sex act leading to zygote/embryo/fetus Y's need for maternal bodily resources, Y's status before X's act was nonexistence; so at most the pregnant woman owes the z/e/f a return to nonexistence, which abortion provides.

Anybody have a counterargument?

[Architect]

Sadly, many or most Americans have no idea about what constitutes a right. Driving a car and getting on an airplane are privileges granted by the state.

It would appear that you have some problem with the concept too...

[fod]

well, good luck finding a political org that is a theology

[Slapper]

How about this. That`s bullsh*t!

[Aedammair]

Even if it's not a theology how does that fact proscribe the secularists involved from postulating theories on the morality of abortion?

[Tribune7]

personal bump

[Aedammair]

The points you made are well stated, and well taken, but don't you think it is possible to postulate moral behavior predicated upon secular principles that seek to cultivate the better part of man? Is the moral imperative a concomitant only to the belief in God?