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The Quintessence of the Middle East Conflict – Who Owns Jerusalem's Holy Sites?
Neue Zürcher Zeitung ^ | November 12, 2001 (in English) | Victor Kocher

Posted on 11/13/2001 10:22:48 AM PST by CommiesOut

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1 posted on 11/13/2001 10:22:48 AM PST by CommiesOut
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2 posted on 11/13/2001 10:23:18 AM PST by CommiesOut
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To: CommiesOut
The Dome of the Rock belongs to the Palestinians. The old Jewish Temple on which the Dome is built on belongs to the Jews.

So lets get a bloody huge crane and lift the dome off of the Jewish Temple and relocate it.

Makes ya wonder why the Palestinians built the Dome on top of the Jewish Temple.

3 posted on 11/13/2001 10:29:36 AM PST by klee
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To: CommiesOut
It belongs to God of Abraham, Isaac, & Jacob.

Mohammed is a liar, a false prophet, and a cult leader.

4 posted on 11/13/2001 10:38:57 AM PST by Dallas
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To: CommiesOut
Moslem Arabs are constantly opressing and killing their christian minorities. Therefore, just like the Jews, these Christians deserve a refuge away from the constant harrasement. I suggest that, we can create a Palestenian state next to Israel. This state will ONLY allow Christian Palestenians, and Christian Arab refugees. The Moslem palestenians, including their chief terrorist Arafat, should go and live in Saudi Arabia or Egypt. Once the world is sold on this idea. Ethnic cleansing of Palestine from Moslems, and ethnically cleanse the Arab countries from the Christians! Then the hate may stop. Israel will live in peace, the christians will live in peace, even the Arab counties can choose to live in peace, or can go down with the Talibans!
5 posted on 11/13/2001 10:39:18 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: klee
Moslems did that throughout history, they build mosques on top of churches all over the world. The temple mount gets a lot of press because it is a jewish thing. You never here any thing about Haj-Sophia, the biggest church ever in Istanboul?
6 posted on 11/13/2001 10:43:42 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: CommiesOut
He who protects the Holy sites and the peaceful democratic worship and freedom of expression there, as well as the preservation of their history without revisionism, is who deserves to control the Holy sites. This issue is in effect much more important than the Palestinian state, because the Palestinian state should not be a priority overshadowing the all important freedom of worship and speech that has been denied by muslims to Jews and Christians there.

Palestinian Child intifada like Khmer Rouge are simply not a viable option. Let adults make treaties, not children. In addition Palestinians have proven time and again their historical revisionism, destruction of Jewish and Christian sites, forced conversions of Christians to the muslim religion and a host of other acts of agression against a state that you and I perfectly know was always open for peaceful and reasonable negociations under the guarrantee of security and self defense.

7 posted on 11/13/2001 10:49:35 AM PST by lavaroise
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You never here any thing about Haj-Sophia, the biggest church ever in Istanboul?

Let us not turn muslim oppression reality into a martyr score card between Jews and Christians. Like we hear about the gazillion synaguogues destroyed in Iraq, Iran, Medina and Mecca and what not.

Jews are not seeking to rebuild at Mecca and Medina like you seek to rebuild in Istanbul. They only want to preserve what little they have left. Get a grip.

8 posted on 11/13/2001 10:52:43 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: philosofy123
No, I have never heard of the Haj-Sophia...
9 posted on 11/13/2001 11:04:45 AM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee
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It is this giant magnificent church in Turkey. When The Moslems took over Costantinople, now it is Istanboul, they converted that church into a mosque. They grafitied Arabic words on the walls, took away the cross from the top of the church and put in a cresent....
10 posted on 11/13/2001 11:16:31 AM PST by philosofy123
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To: CommiesOut
People may be surprised to know that the ownership title to the Temple Mount, to the Tomb of the Patriarchs in Hebron, to the Garden of Gethsemane was held by the Russian Orthodox Church (ROC), and as head of that Church, the last owner was Tsar Nicholas II. Related to Queen Victoria, he was in his time the wealthiest and most powerful ruler in the world and was devoutly Christian and had inherited the Church of Constantine. His last words before his murder were "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."

An interesting piece of history is that the ROC fled Russia and became known as the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR). Many relatives of the Tsar including Saint Elizabeth who was Queen Victoria's granddaughter, took refuge in the vast network of ROCOR churches, monasteries and convents around the world, form Palestine to France to Australia, every continent. Elizabeth became a nun, later canonized by the Church for her role in helping smuggle so many out of Russia during the murderous era of the Bolsheviks. She traveled throughout the ROCOR network and was later captured by the Bolsheviks who murdered her by throwing her down a mineshaft.

ROCOR installed their East Catholic Metropolitain (equivalent to Roman Catholic Pope) and the Synod in Manhattan near Central Park. There one finds a grand Orthodox Cathedral, There is also a magnificent ROCOR cathedral in San Francisco.

The Slavic people are very pious and desirous of recovering their past religion and culture. Unfortunately, the "Metropolitain" Aleksi in Moscow, a former KGB agent and scoundrel is not willing to give up his power to ROCOR which is the rightful line of descent in the ROC.

A few years ago, Aleksi cut a deal with Arafat and with the brutal force of Arafat's soldiers, seized the ROCOR Church by the Tomb of the Patriarchs, throwing the ROCOR nuns out.

Perhaps one of the most touching of the Tsar's family of Churches is found by the Garden of Gethsemane, the Church of Mary Magdalene, which houses a convent. The roof is in need if repair and they will gladly accept your donation of money or materials. These Church people are some of the most gentle and kind people you could ever meet.

11 posted on 11/13/2001 11:17:13 AM PST by Hostage
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The Koran mentions a special blessing of God "all around al-Aqsa," and according to a saying of the Prophet, one prayer said in al-Aqsa counts for 5,000 prayers elsewhere.

This comic book religion gets curioser and curioser.

The Koran, in its entirety was revealed through the prophet Mohamed, right?

As a result of this revelation, Islam came into existence. Now I can't help wondering... is the al Aqsa mosque really described in the Koran? If so where?
Was this mosque, whatever it was originally called, actually built before Mohamed died?

And if it is so important, why was it falling apart when Mark Twain visited the area at the turn of the century?

12 posted on 11/13/2001 11:31:59 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: klee
Makes ya wonder why the Palestinians built the Dome on top of the Jewish Temple.

It shouldn't.
That is standard Muslim SOP everywhere they have ever conquered and occupied, including Sofia in Constantinople.

13 posted on 11/13/2001 11:34:01 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: CommiesOut
Jerusalem is not mentioned even once in the Koran, and there is no evidence at all that Mohammed ever visited the place.

The myth of Mohammed departing the earth on his horse from the Temple Mount is just that, a myth, and it is a relatively modern one at that. I believe it was invented by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin Husseini, Yasser Arafat's uncle (Arafat was born with the last name of Husseini).

14 posted on 11/13/2001 11:48:26 AM PST by Magician
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15 posted on 11/13/2001 11:51:57 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Dallas
And your facts to back this up are...?
16 posted on 11/13/2001 11:59:56 AM PST by Lejes Rimul
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To: CommiesOut
So we should trust a German to explain the holy sites of Jews? Pardon me if I LOL....

This article is full of inflammatory speculation and conjecture, and no factual assertions whatsoever, that Israeli leaders have ever actually planned to build a Third Temple. IMO, this is another myth the Palestinians and their sympathizers in Europe have invented out of whole cloth to further inflame Muslims. Orthodox Jews hold the construction of the Third Temple as the final sign of the coming of the Messiah, and believe that only the Messiah can rebuild the Temple. It is ridiculous to think that any Israeli leader would ever suggest that a secular Israeli government would rebuild it. This would be an affront to the orthodox.

However, it is very useful for the Palestinians and their sympathizers, including clearly the author of this article, to trot out this myth as somehow "balancing out" the more unreasonable demands of the Palestinians. But it doesn't wash.

17 posted on 11/13/2001 12:10:26 PM PST by Dems_R_Losers
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To: Dallas
I am disturbed by this author's question in an otherwise informative piece of work:

"Why can't Muslims and Jews both pray to the same God on the Haram of al-Quds?

They do not share the same God. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Yahweh, is a jealous God. He does not tolerate the worship of other gods before Him. Back to Genesis. Read the Book, all ye who have eyes to see and ears to listen. It tells where all this is going. There is one God and all men will have to choose and be accountable.

18 posted on 11/13/2001 12:11:53 PM PST by justabig
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To: Publius6961
It shouldn't.That is standard Muslim SOP everywhere they have ever conquered and occupied, including Sofia in Constantinople.

I think what I was trying to point out was that if this was a religion intent on peace they would not have done such a thing as build something of importance on such a valued site of another culture. If peace is their intent why would they do it?

19 posted on 11/13/2001 12:27:12 PM PST by klee
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To: philosofy123
I am aware that Muslims do that sort of thing everywhere they go. I dont think however, we hear so much about the Temple Mount simply because its a 'Jewish thing'. I think its because this is one of the very few sites that they have. Jews only have one homeland and a few sites. While Muslims have many homelands and many holy sites in comparison.
20 posted on 11/13/2001 12:33:14 PM PST by klee
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