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Americans Have a Right to Know About the Council on Foreign Relations
The New American ^ | September, 1994 | John F. McManus

Posted on 11/10/2001 12:41:58 AM PST by Verax

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To: Verax
If you are going to type my nic, type it correctly, or not at all. Linking one of my replies, about Joe McCarthy, as sosme kind of self refutation, is not only bizzare , but irrelivant to this topic, dear. : - )

Unlike the Communists / Socialists within FDR's government, and in cells ( sort of akin to the terrorist cells now) , There is NOT 100 % of the CFR members working to overthrough this government now. Neither are the men, who spend two weeks every summer at Bohemian Grove , plotting to take over the government ( usually the president of the USA is a member , dear ) , since many are already running it. They aren't planning on a one world government either. They are smoking cicgars in the woods, and putting on little end of the stay plays. : - )

There is NO Illuminati , except in books by Robert Anton Wilson and Larry Burkket, and in the rambling , incocherent rants of loons.

The FreeMasons also are NOT plotting the over throw of any sovereign nation, nor have they been running everything. Just because a man belongs to the Masons ( as most of our presisdents have, as most of the kings of England have as well ) does NOT mean that they have had an on going " cospiracy of rule " for centuries. Not even the 32 aqnd 33 degreed Masons ! If THAT bit of propaganda were true, then I should most assuredly know about it.

I stand utterly and cocmpcletely behind every word I have posted. That you have chosen to try to impugn me, using my own words, to suit YOUR agenda,a proves that YOU, not I, lack credibility .

Bloviate to your heart's content; it proves ONLY that you know little, but fear much about that whichc does NOT exist.

161 posted on 11/12/2001 1:23:28 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
Unlike the Communists / Socialists within FDR's government, and in cells ( sort of akin to the terrorist cells now) , There is NOT 100 % of the CFR members working to overthrough this government now.

Sorry nopardons, but your arguement is a red herring...

Communists/Socialists within - Clearly you submit that less than 100% of FDR's administration was collaborating.

So your statement There is NOT 100 % of the CFR members working to overthrough this government now. - is irrelevant.

162 posted on 11/12/2001 2:10:14 AM PST by Verax
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To: Verax
No, because not ALL of FDR's cabinet members , advisors, nor even ALL of the government workers and eleected or appointed officials were Communists / Socialists. You claim that every member of the CRF IS working against this governmenet and nation. Ergo, your grasp of simple logic / debate fails. OTOH, every member and sympathizer of the American Comumminist party WERE 100 % for instituting Communism / Socialism here. Ergo, what I said is far more rellivant, pertinant, and explictly on topic and to the point , that your feeble attempt at refutation.
163 posted on 11/12/2001 2:26:17 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
that = than
164 posted on 11/12/2001 2:28:53 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons
You claim that every member of the CRF IS working against this government and nation.

- never wrote that.

165 posted on 11/12/2001 3:32:12 AM PST by Verax
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To: nopardons
When crops failed, Dark Ages Christians blamed Jews

Where do you get such bigoted anti-Christian views that some how all Christian are evil and hate and blame Jews for everything that goes wrong?

Who in the hell do you think protected and hid "the Jews" in Holland, in France and in Serbia and many other countries during World War II?
The Christians!

And when the Muslims were invading Europe it was the Christians---that you think all hated/hate Jews--- that protected them from extermination!

If you made such bigoted statements about Jews on FR you'd have to worry about being banned, but on Christians I guess you feel it's ok to say such things?

166 posted on 11/12/2001 3:55:49 AM PST by t-shirt
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To: monkeywrench; M1991; Scholastic; mbb bill; ctdonath2; Zoey; kristinn; Rebeckie; Lucky...
MW, Had to do a net search to find "So, have you been delphied", and found THIS within the thread which shows how the method works. "All of the experts agree." {"CONCENSUS"} Our leaders{?}at work{?}. I think there are others. Peace and love, George.
167 posted on 11/12/2001 3:56:09 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: nopardons
Tell US about Alger Hess--the Convicted Communist spy, and Former Head of the CFR--tell US about how he was a communist.

Tell US how Alger Hess never engaged in a World-Wide Conspiracy against America--even though he was convicted of just that!

Yes good 'ol Alger the-Convicted traitor against America Hess who wrote the UN Charter. He never promoted World Government did he?

It was a shame he didn't hang like his fellow traitors the Rosenbergs! He deserved a lot more than they did!

168 posted on 11/12/2001 4:02:45 AM PST by t-shirt
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To: x
"There's more at stake here, but it's the same process, and not so much like someone is giving you orders and you are following them."

X, At least not until it gets down to the "nitty gritty" when folks are told "Our support DEPENDS on how you vote. Ask Ernest Hollings. Peace and love, George.

169 posted on 11/12/2001 4:04:59 AM PST by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: t-shirt
Right...but at least Hiss was a Soviet spy...he was doing his job.

What's that make Rockefeller...the man who paid Hiss' bills and bought the land for the UN builing in NYC and financed the CFR building?

- I supposed he was a victim.

171 posted on 11/12/2001 4:09:33 AM PST by Verax
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To: nopardons
--maybe also there just might be other "freepers" who "know people" or who have "seen things" in meatworld that might tend to make them just a little more, umm, how to put this most delicately so as to not to induce the swooning vapors, umm, maybe *some* folks experiences with "government" or "corporate busi-ness" might make them just a tad more suspicious of events and people in high places over the years.....

Just maybe, that is, just maybe.

Maybe there are some other "freepers" who have knowledge of events that maybe are not quite, hmm, have to be delicate again, maybe some 'things" aren't exactly as reported and "commonly believed- why,everyone knows that!" and taken as gospel by some of the more debunker types who are extremely quick on the tinfoil hat slur draw.

Just maybe, that is. maybe it's possible? Maybe?

Maybe some "freepers" have noticed that if it's in the mainstream media, by various well known authors and talking heads types, that maybe over the years a lot of them are known to have, hmm, stretched the truth on events and realities? maybe? Or seemed to have whoops-"forgotten" some things, or seem to not really like to question on some topics? Certainly seems like that is an acceptable topic here, and promoted as "something to do", it's "OK", but then there's the "buts.."

On the one hand, it is "politically correct here" to slam most of the media, to perhaps name names of connected ones in office, to see some glaingly obvious past and present 'wrongness' "chinagate, whitewater, vince foster, hitlery, condidit", etc, many more, and etc, but, on the other hand, when it comes to just a few select-and very important- topics and perhaps-names that fall outside of the approved list, then all of a sudden this same media-gestalt and what is said by them, or actual events, or actual past happenings, "clues" some might call these datoids, well, then it's "obviously" just such and such, it's just 'the truth", nothing else could it be.... I mean, really..".LOL, oh my! That is just so tinfoil, hahahaha, lol! "We", just don't accept that, hehehe, "we" will inform you of what to think and believe and not believe, and what is "proper" here"... These select other topics as presented by the clique of "accepted-properness" are now mysteriously 100% true, exactly as reported on in this same media from before, never a varication. Oh, my, my , my!

Only *some* topics may be accepted as a given-true for investigative or discussion purposes, to search out past largesse, to help end decades of abuse, but others? NO, mommy says you mustn't touch.... Well! Just isn't that speeeesh-ull!"

Some topics are just not P.C if one wishes to remain "proper" and keep to their "place" inside the clique., "place" is so very important, don't you know..

har-umph, ruffle papers, harumph, tap pencil, ruffle papers, say the word "whacko" on cue, change subject, next caller please.....

Just maybe, that is....

172 posted on 11/12/2001 5:02:02 AM PST by zog
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
Thanks so much! I book marked it. Check out George's links, here.
173 posted on 11/12/2001 9:56:59 AM PST by monkeywrench
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To: t-shirt
If you knew history, you would know about the killings and expulsion of Jews from England , and European countries, in the Middle Ages, and not accuse me of bigotry at all. IT is historical fact. Also, I did NOT say " ALL " Christians pursicuted Jews; however , many did fear and hate them. They claimed tat they kidnapped and sacrificially murdered Christian babies and children. They didn't ! There are several such trials recorded , in Germany, and other places. You can read them, if you care to.

I am a Christian, so I am hardly guilty of being anti-Christian, and since recorded, provable FACTS is what I posted, I can likewise hardly be accused of bigottry and / or bashing anyone. When Jim bans people who type facts, just because someone either doesn't know them, or doesn't like them, then FR becomes worthless.

Nowhere did I say that SOME Christians didn't protect and hide Jews during WW2. WW2 has little to do with what England, for example, did ,or Spain in the 15yh century. Are you nw going to tell me that Sain didn't make Jews convert to Catholocism (under pain of death and torture ) kill some, and expell vast numbers of others ? Where do you think that the first Jews, who helped the USA become a nation came from , dear ?

174 posted on 11/12/2001 3:59:56 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Black Jade
"That's the good news, and there is more. 'The Taliban do not have any links to Islam's international radicals. In fact, they hate them,' says Rubin."

cough cough................. That was Paul Rubin (PeeWee Harris) being quoted, right?

Sorry, I got it, this Rubin is a different pervert------

"says Barnett Rubin, the Afghanistan expert at the U.S.-based Council on Foreign Relations."

178 posted on 11/13/2001 3:42:49 PM PST by rdavis84
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To: Black Jade
"Not so fast, nopardons! I give you my word that this will NOT be the last time that you will see this story, if you continue to read FR. I just received a message from the "Sidebar Monitors" informing me that Post #8 "wasn't pulled. For some reason, it just doesnt show up.... May be some sort of software glitch."

NoPardons WARNED US she'd get some posts pulled if she didn't LIKE them!!! Now STOP Pointing out how effective and fair and .... well... just so doggone Democratic all this is. ;-)

179 posted on 11/13/2001 3:49:31 PM PST by rdavis84
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