Schundler, Commentaries on the Election

Compilation of various e-mails, Bulletins, etc. | Rich Shaftan, Murray Sabrin, Fran Wood, Paul Mulshine

[Coleus]

Here are some comments regarding the NJ GOP and the Schundler Campaign

[RLK]

With a message designed to "reach out to minorities in the inner cities," Bret Schundler joined a legion of other Republicans who failed at trying to reinvent he wheel

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The requirements to be fulfilled to reach 90% of such people will alienate enormous amounts of other people.

[jackbill]

Face it, there are a number of states (MA, MD, NY, NJ, CT come to mind) where the vast majority of residents are either on the government dole or have local governments that push the dole. The only way to defeat this garbage is to let the state go broke. That will happen, and the people who make it work will leave.

[OldFriend]

In the end the people of New Jersey came to hate Christie Whitman as much as they hated Florio.

[Coleus]

As a matter of fact, New Jersey, under the tutelage of Multimillionaire Christine Todd Whitman, and a Republican Senate and Assembly, full of RINO's and Republicrats, the state of New Jersey was ranked #1 in the USA as the State with the HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF THOSE WORKING ON THE PUBLIC DOLE, in New Jersey's case, out of all those employed in the state, 20% were on the public dole, raping the taxpayers daily.

Yes, we are number one with gun control laws and the most people, per-capita, on the public payroll. We even allow our underage/minor daughters to have abortions without the parent's consent. Aren't we the best?

Or the most stupid.

[Coleus]

And, I am sure we will have McSleazy just as much!

[Coleus]

I wonder why Rick Shaftan was not hired by the Schundler Campaign. I guess they did not want to hear a conservative message. Too Bad. Rick makes a lot of sense. Schundler could have one following Rick's advice.

[Black Agnes]

I agree. Even though I live in NJ, I am going to go out of my way to avoid paying NJ sales taxes or dumping any discretionary income at all into NJ. I will shop in PA or NY, via catalog or internet, and will do any discretionary spending out of state!

[Leto]

These articles pretty well nail it. As for Donnie boy running for Senate?????

WHAT IS HE NUTS??? I would rather vote for a rat than Donnie the crook. Murray is right the RINOs & rats were afraid of Bret. They love their pork. Whitman was elected as a fiscal conservative. The Republicans had over 2/3rd majorities in both houses. Then she governed from the left, vetoing Partial Birth Abortion bans, Parential notification, and raising spending as fast/faster than the rat Florio did.

Frankly the republicans deserved to lose for stabbing their supporters in the back the past 8 years.

[clikker]

Donnie D's running for Senate? Hmm... that certianly explains all the "New Jersey and You" commercials that have been barraging the airwaves these past few months, with his face and name plastered all over them.

I agree with you. The Establishment Republicans deserved to lose. We deserved to lose the Assembly. We deserved to lose control of the Senate.

But we did not deserve losing the Governorship. Bret is not part of the corrupt establishment. He's not cut from the same mold as Christie Whitman and Donnie D.

But, so it goes. After McGreevey's done with New Jersey, he'll be thrown out the door not unlike Florio was.

[Coleus]

Can't argue with that one.

[jackbill]

Even though I live in NJ, I am going to go out of my way to avoid paying NJ sales taxes or dumping any discretionary income at all into NJ. I will shop in PA or NY, via catalog or internet, and will do any discretionary spending out of state!

Keep in mind that Delaware doesn't have a sales tax. If you're in southern NJ, that may be an option.

I'm about five miles away from DE and I use the shops there quite a bit, even though my MD government is trying to make me pay the sales tax to them.

[ELS]

Ironically, according to the 2000 census, NJ surpassed CT as the state with the highest income per capita - somewhere around $54,000.

[ELS]

If the establishment leaders had backed Schundler and he still lost big, they'd have made their point. They could say that no conservative can be elected governor. But all they succeeded in proving is that no conservative can be elected governor with the party establishment offering tacit support for his rival.

Chumps. The adults may be back in the White House, but they aren't in the state house(s).

[Coleus]

Feedback

Thanks for your responses yesterday regarding McGreevey coming out of the closet. Virtually all of you expressed deep cynicism about McGreevey and the Democrats--and rightfully so. Only time will tell if McGreevey keeps his promises.

Yesterday the Governor-elect met with the Acting Governor (I can’t wait till we have a real Governor) to discuss the state’s budget. McGreevey called for a spending freeze, because we may have a $700 million deficit this fiscal year and a $2 billion deficit next year. In other words, McGreevey is in a box—and he knows it. He has to go to his constituents and say, “The cupboard is bare. Look what those irresponsible Republicans did to us.” And you know what, he is right. Borrow and spend Whitman paved the way for McGreevey’s victory. The media won’t say it neither will the RINOs in Trenton. Telling it like it is means pointing the finger of blame where it belongs—“moderate Republicans”.

Quiz time: What do you call a moderate Republican? A Democrat. What do you call a Democrat? A socialist. What do you call a progressive Democrat? A Marxist. Next time you hear the term moderate Republican or moderate Democrat bandied about in the press, correct them immediately. Let’s not have the pundits and the talking heads continue to fool the people.

I responded to as many emails as possible yesterday with the following: If McGreevey backtracks, get your marching shoes ready. Keep April 15th 2002 clear (it’s a Monday). We’ll have the biggest antitax rally in the history of the state. Vigilance and action is the key to success.

Republicans spend in the cities like the end of the world is coming and get rewarded by losing overwhelmingly to the Democrats in Newark, Jersey City, Paterson, Camden, etc. When will the Republicans learn? The Democrats then campaign against irresponsible Republicans and still get the urban vote as well as the suburban vote. They—the Democrats-- have figured it out. Let the Republicans spend when they’re in power and we then win elections. In short, the Democrats get happy constituents in the cities and pissed off (sorry for the academic term) Republicans and independents in the suburbs. The Democrats have it down pat. The clueless Republicans in Trenton look like deer staring into the headlights. It’s time for them to go.

This just in from Washington. According to a congressional aide, President Bush has said to go back to normal. In Washington this means the debate will continue between the socialist Democrats and the fascist Republicans. Strong stuff. This is from an individual on the front lines in the nation’s capital. More bailouts are coming. The taxpayers are about to get it again. Inflation is subdued for the time being. Enjoy it while you can. War has always been accompanied by accelerating inflation. There are no exceptions to this phenomenon. More inflation in 2003.

Have a restful and peaceful weekend.

Murray

[Leto]

Agreed Bret is a good man. I meant that Whitman and the RINO's betrayed the base. Also as pointed out in the articles they ran a poor campaign. Time to clean house. We need people like Schundler and Sabrin, get rid of the scum like Donnie D and Franks, Whitman Roukema and the rest of the RINO's.

[ZULU]

Donnie D will probably get eleted to the Senate if he runs in his home district which includes that cesspit Elizabeth.

HOWEVER, REAL Republicans should finally decide NOT TO EVER VOTE FOR, SUPPORT or in ANY WAY assist Liberal Republicans when thjey seek office. In such a situation, stay home, vote for third party candidate, but DON'T HIT THAT LEVER FOR THE LIBERAL REPUBLICAN.

Whenever liberal Republicans get nominated, conservatives allow themselves to be frightened into voting for them because "they're still better than a Democrat".

WRONG!! By supporting these creeps when they don't support our people, we help put them in control of our party.

I WILL NEVER, EVER, AGAIN WASTE MY VOTE ON ONE OF THESE CREEPS!!

[clikker]

I think that the rumor is that Donnie D will run for the United States Senate, for Sen. Torricelli's seat, up for re-election next November.

And, therefore, since Senate elections are state-wide, we can all know the joy of NOT voting for him, if he decides to run.

I mean, if he can win the primary. And, if anything, we've proven that, if we put enough effort into it, we can handily defeat any RINO in the Republican primaries. If we can recapture the passion we had for Bret this June, we could crush his dreams before they even come close to realization.

[OldFriend]

The media has been bashing Whitman for her spending......no one cared because she spent it on them. The media seems to be after McG already, strangely enough. He knows he is going to be clobbered if he raises taxes. I also think Bret was on to something when he called for Donny to NOT raise taxes before he leaves. If he does raise taxes, McG will be off the hook and frankly I wouldn't put anything past Donny DeSoprano.

McG has already stabbed Doria in the back and the fighting is going among the dems big time.

[Coleus]

Author Comment MattTrott Registered User (11/7/01 3:48:45 pm)

Was Sam Perelli right all along???Back - way back - even before DiFrancesco's sleazy past forced him out of the primary race, Sam Perelli was floating the idea that Bret Schundler should run as an Independent.

Sam said, let the Rinos nominate their own, and Schundler could win it all in a three way race.

In retrospect, given how the GOP establishment stabbed Schundler in the back, I wonder if Sam wasn't right all along.

TruthSquadron Registered User (11/7/01 5:59:05 pm) Re: Was Sam Perelli right all along???are you talking about Sam Perelli akaTHE FORECASTER the same Sam Perelli that leaves his Barber a 50 cent tip and says that it is too much

The forecaster Registered User (11/8/01 10:07:07 am) SURE HE WAS RIGHT...SAM KNOWS THE BUSINESS.....!! ***HE KNOWS THE PLAYERS IN THE STATE AND HIS WAY AROUND........AND DON'T YOU THINK FOR A MINUTE THAT HE DOESN'T....!!

YES HE SAID THAT......AND....PROBABLY EVEN TOLD BRET TO DO THAT. HE KNEW THEY WOULDN'T ACCEPT HIM ALSO.

AND INCIDENTALLY......"SAM IS NOT THE FORECASTER"........

oldschooldem Registered User (11/8/01 12:15:48 pm) reSam may know something, but you've demonstrated that you know nothing.

The Siberian Registered User (11/8/01 3:00:34 pm) Re: reThough it still somewhat amazes me, I can sort of see how a Jesse Ventura could take an election. Basically, he steered a course between the two major party candidates and took votes away from both of them. (As an aside, I don't believe that anyone should take office with little more than a third of the vote. There ought to be run-offs.)

But how do you figure Bret could have done that, steering a course to the right of everybody? You really think he'd get more Dem votes?

The Garfield Avenue Messiah Registered User (11/8/01 3:42:09 pm) ComparisonThe only real comparison that you could draw with Governor Ventura's campaign and Bret Schundler are the facts that both started off as relative political unknowns and both took votes away from both the Democrats and Republicans, although it should be noted that Jersey City's elections are always generally non-partisan. Bret's first mayoral campaign was unique in that twenty-six people ran, ranging from the usual political hacks, an Egyptian doctor who barely spoke English and I am pretty sure a rabbi.

Its hard to think of Jesse Ventura as a governor. I grew up in the 80's and I can't really get over the fact that Jesse Ventura attacked Ivan Putski after that arm wrestling match!

MattTrott Registered User (11/8/01 5:47:01 pm) Re: ComparisonThe Siberian asks: "But how do you figure Bret could have done that (win as an independent) , steering a course to the right of everybody? You really think he'd get more Dem votes? "

Answer:

1. Schundler would have had all the pro-life and Second Amendment votes as well as the votes of the hard core tax cutters.

2. Running as an Independentent, Bret would have more significantly distanced himself from the reckless debt-spending of Whitman/DiFrancesco.

3. An independent run by Schundler would not necessarily be designed to win over Democrats as it would be to a) win over the Independent voters who outnumber registered Republicans and Democrats and also b) bring new people into the electon process like Ventura did. (Was the turnout this Tuesday even 50%? See my point?)

4. In a three way debate, Schundler would have destroyed Difrancesco(Franks) and McGreevy.

ntupres Registered User (11/8/01 7:29:21 pm) Re: ComparisonHey Matt bret's past ,present and future is a sleaze ball dream. Go donnie go.

LifeLibertyHappiness Registered User (11/8/01 7:35:17 pm) NoN, I think Bret has a good future, people know who he is now, it all depends on who he is running against.

TruthSquadron Registered User (11/9/01 5:26:22 am) Re: NoBret is done because people do not accept right-wing conservative wackos who attacked Ronald Reagan

ntupres Registered User (11/9/01 7:42:00 am) Re: Noyes ,but not in politics. The forecaster Registered User (11/9/01 12:21:42 pm) REMEMBER RICHARD NIXON; CALIFORNIA GOV. DEFEAT..!! ***IT WAS A TOTAL DISASTER....AND HE SAID TO THE PRESS....."YOU CAN'T KICK OLD DICK AROUND ANYMORE".....IN ESSENCE- YOU BUNCH OF BUMS....!

HE LEFT THE POLITICAL STAGE WITH A REAL BANG.....IN 1962....AND 6 YEARS LATER HE WAS PRESIDENT....

* AFTER THAT......ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN AT ANY TIME ........ETC....ETC

ntupres Registered User (11/9/01 12:38:48 pm) Re: REMEMBER RICHARD NIXON; CALIFORNIA GOV. DEFEAT..!!Your smarter then we the people.Time for an audit right.