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SPEECH GIVEN IN CHARLESTON, SOUTH CAROLINA, JUNE 2000
Speech given by Alligator Eyes - first rally in Charleston ^ | June 2000 | Alligator Eyes

Posted on 11/06/2001 11:09:07 AM PST by dixie sass

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A reminder of who and what we are as Americans.
1 posted on 11/06/2001 11:09:07 AM PST by dixie sass
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To: Commonsense; GRRRRR; usconservative; antivenom; IronJack; Bigun; Taxman; chesty_puller; jenx...
I hope that all of you enjoy this. It brought tears to the eyes of all.
2 posted on 11/06/2001 11:23:31 AM PST by dixie sass
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To: ouroboros; JohnHuang2
Thought the two of you might find this very interesting. Please ping if you want to.

Oh - John, heard from my son. He is fine as well as his boss and his bosses family. Thank you again!

3 posted on 11/06/2001 11:37:37 AM PST by dixie sass
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To: dixie sass
Perhaps we can discuss and debate here without me being "disruptive."

What am I to make of this post?

One of the latter paragraphs speaks of duty and responsibility. To what or to whom?

IIRC our previous dialogue, my interest in a single issue, as bellwether of the Bill of Rights, was somehow damned. Why and for what?

Was it mere happenstance that the Right To Keep And Bear Arms is second only to the most vital of the enumerated rights?

Is my contention, that this most vital enumerated Right is anile, a contention too controversial for discussion? Is it too strongly stated or in language too erudite for SC-inians?

Where to take the first bite of the elephant?

4 posted on 11/06/2001 11:37:52 AM PST by dhuffman@awod.com
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To: dhuffman@awod.com; dixie sass; YankeeinSC
I doubt very seriously that anything you post is too erudite for the members of the chapter considering the educational background most of us enjoy. PhD's, Masters and Bachelors of Arts and Science degrees pretty much qualify us all as quite literate and capable of cognizant thought. Neither are any of us senile.

That being said in answer to your quite patronizing statement, no Amendment in the Bill of Rights is any more important than the other, with the possible exception to the Tenth which is universally accepted by Constitutional scholars around the country as the single Amendment which guarantees the other nine within the sovereignty of states. You ignore the First and it impacts the Second. That impact on the Second directly affects and effects the Third . . . and so on. Each relies heavily on the other. They are a body in toto, not to be taken singularly.

This speech is part and parcel of our chapter's Mission Statement. I am of the opinion that dixie sass posted it here to remind everyone of just exactly what example of bravery we're trying to live up to these days.

Also, it would be refreshing if you chose a few new words to replace "erudite" and "anile". Looking back over the locale, you've used those two to death.

5 posted on 11/06/2001 12:52:07 PM PST by Commonsense
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To: Commonsense
How 'bout the word 'quibble'? Are you familiar with that one?

W7NCD "quibble...an evasion of or shift from the point : EQUIVOCATION ... a minor objection or criticism."

This really isn't about YOU. If you've nothing to add then why contribute? Or do you believe that an appeal to authority is a strong rhetorical argument? I was taught that PhD was an acronym for Piled Higher and Deeper.

I like the word ANILE because you don't

6 posted on 11/06/2001 1:27:26 PM PST by dhuffman@awod.com
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To: dixie sass
Excellent...thanks!
7 posted on 11/06/2001 2:23:43 PM PST by antivenom
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To: dixie sass
This was posted as a reminder of where we came from and what we have to live up to. We are not hear to quibble or argue or fight among ourselves, we are here to discuss and educate and learn. I didn't put this on the board to have an argument or flame war start. That is defeating the purpose.

This is a fine example of why conservatives can't and will never make any headway in politics - fighting and jockying for position - meantime forgetting what and were we stand has caused us to lose more elections.

The men and women who so willing gave up everything for the cause of liberty would look at these flame wars with disgust.

8 posted on 11/06/2001 3:22:40 PM PST by dixie sass
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To: antivenom
You are welcome. See you at Paltalk.
9 posted on 11/06/2001 3:24:16 PM PST by dixie sass
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
"One of the latter paragraphs speaks of duty and responsibility. To what or to whom?"

Responsibility to GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY

10 posted on 11/06/2001 3:42:14 PM PST by dixie sass
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To: dixie sass
ABSOLUTLY GREAT THREAD DIXIE and i dont have a phd , masters ,or even a colledge education i GRADEATED HIRE SCHOOL AND WENT TO WORK FOR THE NAVY

BUT I KINS UNDERSTAND ITS REAL GOOD /SMARTALEC OFF/

REALLY A GREAT POST DIXIE KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK

11 posted on 11/06/2001 3:56:52 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK
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To: dixie sass
I learned responsibility at the knee of the author of this...

RESPONSIBILITY
It is a unique concept.
It can only reside and inhere in a single individual.
You may share it with others, but your portion is not diminished.
You may delegate it, but it is still with you.
You may disclaim it, but you cannot divest yourself of it.
Even if you do not recognize it, or admit its presence, you cannot escape it.
If responsibility is rightfully yours, no evasion of ignorance or passing the blame can shift the burden to someone else.
Unless you can point your finger at the man who is responsible when something goes wrong, then you have never had anyone really responsible.

It's too bad that we are still bent on destroying the culture he founded.

If there is any place that nuclear waste of any description should reside then it is here in South Carolina. Here is likely the largest concentration of radiological knowlege and experience in the world.

Instead we are fed daily pap by the media, local and national, of the hazards of technology.

Then I guess that shouldn't be surprising considering that we just authorized a lottery. Surprising coincidence of numbers, isn't it, that the risks of nuclear power, the risks from BIG-Anthrax and the possibility of winning the lottery are all the same sized numbers.

Truly...The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.

12 posted on 11/06/2001 4:18:26 PM PST by dhuffman@awod.com
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
I wanted to ensure that you saw my #12. You might remember it or even its author.
13 posted on 11/06/2001 4:20:31 PM PST by dhuffman@awod.com
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
Grow up, for God's sake. You're become quite tiresome.
14 posted on 11/06/2001 4:26:03 PM PST by Commonsense
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To: dixie sass
Dixie, this speech was one of the many highlights of that SC event.

Reading this is wonderful, but it doesn't give it the justice of alligator eye's emotional presentation it that first morning....

15 posted on 11/06/2001 4:26:18 PM PST by LurkerNoMore!
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
I like the word ANILE because you don't

Well good for you. Whatever helps your ego.

Now why not try discussing the gist of this speech and stop the puerile comments toward me. I think Dixie posted Alligator Eye's speech because she loves this country and wanted very much to have people understand what these men went through to leave it to us. Try focusing on that.

16 posted on 11/06/2001 4:39:34 PM PST by Commonsense
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To: LurkerNoMore!
Reading this is wonderful, but it doesn't give it the justice of alligator eye's emotional presentation it that first morning....

Was he not incredible that morning? His voice choking, the palpable emotion that permeated the room as he spoke? That's why I made it a part of our chapter's Mission Statement - lest we ever forget.

17 posted on 11/06/2001 4:46:13 PM PST by Commonsense
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To: dhuffman@awod.com
Then I guess that shouldn't be surprising considering that we just authorized a lottery.

RESPONSIBILITY . . . It can only reside and inhere in a single individual.

Let's talk about this briefly. As the lottery eats up the state, which it will surely do, how do we make the voters who helped to vote this into being realize the resonsibility of their single, individual action - the single vote they cast - and its eventual impact on the state. There must be a way to wake them up to the thing they've released. It's not a bad project for the SCFreepers to take on. We've certainly delegated projects out for each individuals specific passion. A lottery educational process without benefit of government input.

I'm sure as they cast that lottery vote they actually thought the next morning they could rush out and purchase their lottery ticket and within the week hit the jackpot. They're still waiting. They can't all be unreachable.

18 posted on 11/06/2001 4:53:40 PM PST by Commonsense
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To: Commonsense
Presuming that your "tiresome" refers to my 'sig line' and for the benefit of the wider audience not familiar with our dispute, I'll reiterate.

It much preceeds your FR screen name/membership. It is a synthesis of my reading these

The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life by Richard J. Herrnstein and Charles Murray (Free Press, NY, 1994 ISBN 0-02-914673-9) It is in this work and its reception that I find the "conspiracy"

Fashionable Nonsense: Postmodern Intellectuals' Abuse of Science by Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmont (Picador, NY, 1998 ISBN 0-312-19545-1). Herein a copy of Sokal's Social Text essay "Transgressing the Boundaries: Toward a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity."

A House Built on Sand: Exposing Postmodernist Myths About Science edited by Noretta Koertge (Oxford, NY, 1998 ISBN 0-19-511725-5).

The Flight From Science and Reason edited by Paul R. Gross, Norman Levitt and Martin Lewis (NY Acad. Sci., NY, 1997 ISBN 0-8018-5676-0) and others by Gross and Levitt, not least, Higher Superstition: The Academic Left and Its Quarrels with Science (JHU, Baltimore, 1994).

Your ad hominem comments are, indeed, tiresome. This is the big pond, Froggy! I welcome debate and dialogue but it should be conducted logically, rationally and with polite rhetoric.

19 posted on 11/06/2001 5:02:17 PM PST by dhuffman@awod.com
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To: Commonsense
Now why not try discussing the gist of this speech..."

The speech is a fine historical exposition with which I have no quarrel. The rub is in advancing words, like the words of the speech or mine, into effective action.

Waving a flag like the Stars and Bars or the Stars and Stripes is a fine rallying cry but unless it is in front of the troops and unless it leads then it only stirs the blood to passion.

20 posted on 11/06/2001 5:11:28 PM PST by dhuffman@awod.com
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