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Pakistan ISI Militants plan to use explosive-laden 'Toy Plane' to hit VIPs
THE HINDUSTAN TIMES ^ | New Delhi, November 4 | Sumir Kaul

Posted on 11/04/2001 12:09:01 AM PST by American_Patriot_For_Democracy

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To: Nick Danger
"It is an ugly thought, and one that sane people will try very hard to resist. But in the end, when the food, the water, the air, and every person for 300 yards around is a deadly threat every single day, people will get sick of it. "

As we're told to sit tight and assume a "new normalcy" while the government takes care of the problem, I don't know of one single soul who has yet taken this advice to heart. Yeah, anthrax is a flop as a WMD. But knowing that there are bombers and guys with deadly powder lurking randomly is like living one of those horror movies where the serial murderer is in the house, and you're hoping you're not facing down an axe in the dark before the cops arrive.

Lazurus Long said "Never frighten a litle man, he'll kill you." The little guy is scared.

21 posted on 11/04/2001 6:20:37 AM PST by Harrison Bergeron
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To: Nick Danger
The day will come when the only option left is to kill them all, just to make it stop.

We're not there yet. Hopefully, our enemies will grasp that we are serious enough that we won't be forced to take this sort of drastic action. Another incident or two comparable to WTC/Pentagon, I think we'd see nukes and/or massive invasion in certain countries in the Middle East.
22 posted on 11/04/2001 6:47:45 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Nick Danger
The cockroach analogy is unfair to cockroaches. Cockroaches are actually a noble insect that does not intend to harm us. In fact, we could easily live with their presence; it is mainly esthetics that leads us to kill them. Conversely, these fanatic terrorists are in a class of their own. I can't think of a appropriate analogy.
23 posted on 11/04/2001 6:59:41 AM PST by neuron2
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To: George W. Bush
If we are at war, we kill the enemy. If the war is against terrorists and their state sponsors, they are the targets. If we don't require judicial standards of proof after the commission of an actual crime ( which is the distinction between war and prosecution of crime ) then isn't anyone expressing approval of murderous terror attacks on US citizens and interests the enemy, and therefore a legitimate target?
24 posted on 11/04/2001 7:01:17 AM PST by thucydides
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To: thucydides
If we don't require judicial standards of proof after the commission of an actual crime ( which is the distinction between war and prosecution of crime ) then isn't anyone expressing approval of murderous terror attacks on US citizens and interests the enemy, and therefore a legitimate target?

Not in the real world. Unfortunately, we have an empire to manage.

If it were only that simple, FRiend. We can't afford to be diplomatically isolated, a certain result of applying your thinking here. I'm completely in sympathy with your sentiments. But this is the real world and we're always going to have enemies. The top dog always does.
25 posted on 11/04/2001 7:06:53 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Nick Danger
Excellent rant Nick.

Annihilation: A man's greatest pleasure is to defeat his enemies, to drive them before him, to take from them that which they possessed, to see those whom they cherished in tears, to ride their horses, to hold their wives and daughters in his arms. I forbid you to show mercy to my enemies without an express order from me. Genghis Khan

26 posted on 11/04/2001 7:18:25 AM PST by ScreamingFist
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To: neuron2
Smalpox is a good analogy. This planet isn't big enough to coexist.
27 posted on 11/04/2001 7:22:48 AM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: Nick Danger
I agree. Maybe the Serbians had something with "Ethnic Cleansing."
28 posted on 11/04/2001 7:23:44 AM PST by ScholarWarrior
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To: American_Patriot_For_Democracy
I don't think you understand our relationship with Pakistan. We don't "work closely" with them. we give them aid and they give us info. We are much closer to India than Pakistan since the cold war ended.
29 posted on 11/04/2001 7:48:59 AM PST by tbeatty
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To: American_Patriot_For_Democracy
Since the American CIA works closely with Pakistani ISI, now more than ever, is this a declaration of war on India?

Are you out of your mind?? What is with your paranoia about India and US relations?

First of all, this is an inflammatory article out of the area based on unnamed sources about what is going on in the Pakistan intelligence community. India is hardly the place to look for unbiased reporting about what is going on in Pakistan.

It strains all credibility that the ISI would begin using a terror weapon in Kashmir which would point directly to official Pakistani involvement in terrorism in that region.

I don't believe it.

But you took it one step further to assert that US cooperation with Pakistan today is tantamount to declaring war on India. That is so ridiculous that it suggests that you are divorced from reality.

30 posted on 11/04/2001 8:04:43 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: tex-oma; American_Patriot_For_Democracy; Nick Danger
Where you have certain people (let's give them a name: "Radical Islamists") who have the objective of overthrowing your entire civilization and replacing it with something more pleasing to them (Islamic Sharia), you either have to accept letting it happen, or decide to fight.

If you decide to fight, and it is the case that reason and persuasion will not dissuade your opponents, then you must use force. If the only level of force that will work is extermination, then you have to decide if you value your civilization enough to go ahead and use that level of force in order to preserve it.

During the struggle against Communism, this country never had enough committed radical Communists to be able to disrupt daily life with ongoing terrorism. Other countries were not so lucky, and finally either succumbed, or resorted to death squads and "disappearances" to deal with their radical Communists.

It may come to that, here, eventually

31 posted on 11/04/2001 8:07:39 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: Arthalion
As anybody who's ever dabbled in RC can attest, when you activate a second transmitter on the same frequency as the RC device, the device will stop responding to inputs.

This is true as long as you use standard transmitter/receiver frequencies. If you have a good electronics guy on your staff to switch you to a spread-spectrum approach, then it's a different story. When most cordless phones these days use spread spectrum between handset and base unit, would it be too hard to adopt the same circuit design (or even grab the chips out of commercial cordless phones) for this purpose?

32 posted on 11/04/2001 8:11:16 AM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: Nick Danger
It's not a "rant." It's simply taking the LOGICAL to its ultimate conclusion.
33 posted on 11/04/2001 8:19:35 AM PST by meridia
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To: Nick Danger
Your number 7 post, well said.
34 posted on 11/04/2001 9:01:08 AM PST by snippy_about_it
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To: Nick Danger
"We're going to have to kill these people. All of them. "

Others will take their place. We must also destroy the source of their replacements.

Our national policy is to destroy terrorist organizations with global capabilities. This is a good start, but small organizations operating solely within the US can still inflict tremendous damage.

It's time to consider outlawing certain religious sects, just as we outlawed the Nazi political party after WWII. Just as we confiscate property used in the drug trade, we should conficate property used in the promotion of certain religious sects, including buildings, radio stations, internet servers, printing presses, convience stores, etc...

35 posted on 11/04/2001 9:03:28 AM PST by bayourod
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To: Nick Danger
"We're going to have to kill these people. All of them. "

Others will take their place. We must also destroy the source of their replacements.

Our national policy is to destroy terrorist organizations with global capabilities. This is a good start, but small organizations operating solely within the US can still inflict tremendous damage.

It's time to consider outlawing certain religious sects, just as we outlawed the Nazi political party after WWII. Just as we confiscate property used in the drug trade, we should conficate property used in the promotion of certain religious sects, including buildings, radio stations, internet servers, printing presses, convience stores, etc...

36 posted on 11/04/2001 9:06:04 AM PST by bayourod
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To: ScholarWarrior
Maybe the Serbians had something with "Ethnic Cleansing."

You bet. But for unfortunate timing of events, Milosovic might've been seen as "doing the right thing".

37 posted on 11/04/2001 11:12:34 AM PST by Cloud William
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To: Cloud William
Maybe the Serbians had something with "Ethnic Cleansing."

You bet. But for unfortunate timing of events, Milosovic might've been seen as "doing the right thing".

I read, "But for the unfortunate fact of a Clinton presidency, Milosovic might've been seen as doing the right thing." That is what I would construe to be the "unfortunate timing of events."

In fact, expand that to "But for America's unfortunate 8 - year Clinton presidency, Sept. 11th would not have happened."

39 posted on 11/04/2001 3:15:20 PM PST by StealthChild
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To: nomasmojarras
Lol....why don't they start using those little radio shack remote control cars? Better yet, why don't WE????

Just as a sidelight, it is reported that the Soviets placed exploding toys in Afghanistan to maim children who would innocently pick them up.

In light of that gruesome fact, it's pathetic that we are crucified by the U.N. and others for bombing, (accidentally or otherwise) a few Red Cross "warehouses" and our food drop program.

40 posted on 11/04/2001 3:21:34 PM PST by StealthChild
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