Six Thousand Faces: Leave the Propaganda to the Liars

Ether Zone ^ | 10/30/01 | Doug Patton

[cyn]

well put, thanks for posting. bump.

[poet]

You are so right, Jean, I've e-mailed foxnews about the garbage being sent over the airwaves. If we stand by and let the media get away with this, we are going to lose.
They are playing with the emotions of Americans just as they did during the Vietnam "police Action"

[mbynack]

One thing that the media doesn't talk too much about is that a lot of the civilian casualties in the Gulf War were a result of Iraqi Air Defenses. All of the SAMs and AAA that gets shot into the sky comes down somewhere and it does a lot of damage.

During DESERT STORM the Iraqi press kept talking about civilian bomb casualties that were 30 miles from the closest targets and the damages shown were obviously caused by a falling SAM.

I'm sure that this same thing is happening in Afghanastan.

[Howlin]

A "Show Us the Faces" bump.

[Weatherman123]

I'll see your bump and raise you a bump.

[Jack Barbara]

Six Thousand Faces: Leave the Propaganda to the Liars

The best information we have about the number of dead is a range from 2500 to 3600. Why would you inflate the number, and then tell us to leave the propaganda to the liars?

[Howlin]

Never Forget 9-11

(Long load, but well worth it.)

[fone]

>I'll see your bump and raise you a bump<

This makes 3 of a kind *bump*

[MHGinTN]

Great find, Jean! Indeed, there will be some collateral damage in Afgahnistan, but for every woman who might die accidentally (and that's what our collateral damage IS, unlike the purposeful murders by the Osama pig Larden demons), many more will eventually be saved from the abuse and murder of a talibunny goon, and thus the children of Afghanistan will be better off when we kill a few thousand of these 'brave' wife beating, child abusing, fanatical fools called Taliban.

Don't pause too long to mourn the collateral damage in Afghanistan or Pakistan or Iraq, 'cause the demons running those countries are killing more of their own people than we will accidentally kill with our war on the terrorists and the governments that harbor them. And besides, every time CNN or Newsweek, or the alphabet networks raise the specter of foreign collateral damage, I shout at the TV, "What about Americans murdered by the terrorists' purposeful collateral slaughter? Get a clue or get out of the way, damn you leftists bastards!"

Oh, and the best way to punish the sycophants of liberalism is to vote their heroes out --the criminal enterprise democrats, replacing them with some pubbies, some constitutional party folks and libertarians ... anything but democrats! God save US from liberal democrats!

[Catie]

Well put. Thanks.

[Woodman]

You my friend are spewing Liberal Propaganda from the New York Times. The best estimates of the number of missing and dead are the ones being done by New York City and the Office of the Mayor. The current level is around 4700 from the WTC. I’m not sure how many from the Pentagon.

The NY Times did not have as complete of a set of information as the City Does and I would not put much credence in their estimates. If you don’t think these people died or that they are exaggerated phantom bodies, I suggest you pay a visit to the Great Kills Landfill where there are currently over 20,000 body parts in storage that were over looked by the rescuers at the WTC site. Or maybe you could explain to my son why his basketball had to be canceled so that the Gym at the church could be used for funerals and memorial services? Maybe you could also explain to my daughter why her preschool had to be delayed so that her school building could be used for the same purpose at a different parish? Or maybe you would like to go to either of my kids’ schools and explain to the children with dead and missing parents that they aren’t really dead? Maybe you can explain to me why I have been stuck in traffic for funerals or memorial services at least 4 times a week since September 11th?

My own personal scorecard is this:
25 Dead or Missing from my Parish
28 Dead or Missing from the neighboring Parish
1 Wife’s Cousin’s Husband w/2 surviving children under 3
2 Ex-coworkers at Cantor Fitzgerald with 6 surviving children and 2 spouses
2 Ex-coworkers sons at Cantor Fitzgerald (that I trained as interns) both with surviving wives and 2 children under three each.
Many more in and around me every day.

Just for something that is a little official for you taste; here is FEMA’s report from 10/1/2001. Keep in mind that many are still in area hospitals.

World Trade Center Update
En Español
New York City and state officials have revised the total number of missing from the WTC disaster to 5,219, down from 5,641 listed previously. According to New York City officials, some of the names had been double counted due to multiple reports. The confirmed dead has risen to 314, the city also announced. The death toll is likely to rise as some injured survivors are still fighting for life in area hospitals. The New York Presbyterian Hospital's burn center has nine victims that are expected to die in the next few weeks.

Hospitals in New York and New Jersey treated nearly 7,300 patients in the aftermath of the attack, and 561 patients had injuries serious enough to be admitted to some 162 hospitals, according to local hospital associations. Many of these patients are burn patients.

The Urban Search and Rescue effort is winding down with only one FEMA USAR task force, California TF-4, assigned to New York this morning. Three task forces, Nevada-1, Colorado-1 and Nebraska-1 are scheduled to depart for their home bases today.

California-4 is scheduled to support the New York Fire Department until October 6. The Incident Support Team is likely to remain beyond October 6 to continue to support the New York recovery operations.

According to news media reports, the attack on the WTC is expected to cost the New York economy $60 billion dollars before all is said and done. The insurance industry has set the total loss in the city at $40 billion to $60 billion, the equivalent of the annual gross domestic product of the country of Hungary. Insurance payouts are expected to exceed $25 billion, which will top the previous record of $19 billion paid in the aftermath of Hurricane Andrew in 1992. (Manhattan DFO, FEMA HQ, news media)

[rebdov]

The truth is like an injection of patriotism we need a portrait of a few victims of terror daily. We need to read about their hopes and their dreams that were robbed by the barbarians. If every newspaper dedicated space daily for a short vignette, we would all gain. May G-d raise their souls into everlasting life.

[Woodman]

~^^~
BUMP

[TheOtherOne]

RememberThe11th.com

[ventana]

You write beautifully. Thank you for these observations. V's wife.

[Jean S]

Thank you but I didn't write this. The author is Doug Patton.

[Jack Barbara]

A correct number (or more correct number) does not diminish the tragic event. The "liberal propaganda" that I spew comes from a number of sources:

New York city officials say 4,964 are dead or missing but none of the lists maintained by others comes near to that. One compiled by the New York Times puts the toll at about 2,950; another, by USA Today, the nation's biggest-selling newspaper, stops at 2,680; and that maintained by the Associated Press news agency goes no further than 2,625.

The American Red Cross, which has received $500m in donations, had expected to be contacted by the families of most victims but has dealt with only 2,563 cases six weeks after the attacks.

"Where are those people?" asked Luis Garcia, the Red Cross official in charge of allocating grants to them.

The huge discrepancy became evident only a day after the New York police department unit responsible for keeping a count said that it was edging closer to a reliable number for the dead and missing, partly by matching body parts to DNA from victims' toothbrushes and hairbrushes.

Anthony De Barros, a computer database editor at USA Today, said: "It has seemed to be odd.

"I don't want to discount the possibility that there were large numbers of people who were just visiting or working in the building that day, or people like carpenters or electricians. But still, even so, it is hard to understand where they are going to come from to reach the numbers the city is reporting."

Numbers have fallen after the initial fear that up to 10,000 people might have been killed, and again after the same names were found to have appeared on more than one list as information poured in from numerous sources. But still the city's total has fallen by only about 500 over the past three weeks.

[lds23]

Right on. I've been pretty miffed that all the news talks about is anthrax, trying to grab the US by the nervous system just to increase ratings. They should be playing memorials to these people, one at a time. They should be reminding us why we need to continue to fight, not give us reasons to fear and back off. They keep spouting the Taleban, UN and liberals mantras to back off this war. It really disrespects the memory of these innocents.

[DebtsPaid]

As a veteran and as a citizen of this great land, thanks for the post of the day.