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Time for America to dominate the World
me | 10/28/01 | me

Posted on 10/28/2001 10:45:12 AM PST by clee1

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To: Restorer
All they had was Cicero. :)

Touche! Plus they needed a whole series of Palpatines to wreck everything.
61 posted on 10/28/2001 12:04:34 PM PST by dr_who
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To: Monti Cello
Bravo, BUMP
62 posted on 10/28/2001 12:05:28 PM PST by clee1
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To: clee1
No, the Roman Empire (and the Republic before it) as well as the Greek Athenian republic were not perfect - not by a long shot. But they WERE better than the tribal warfare survival-of-the-fittest fudalism that prevailed before and after Rome.

Lots of people would have disagreed with you. In the Middle Ages, an opponent of the local ruler, or even sometimes a person who had fallen into his disfavor, had only to flee across the nearest border and he could gain freedom and even allies to revenge himself.

Under the Empire, there was nowhere to flee for those who were out of favor of the Emperor. In essence, the Empire was a political monopoly, feudalism had some features in common with free-market economies.

Feudal societies are not usually very progressive, but they are also inherently sloppy in their opporession. This sloppiness allowed for many people to lead a relatively free existence, as compared to a modern totalitarian society.

63 posted on 10/28/2001 12:08:33 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
Agreed. The only reason to crack the eggs is to make the omlet. The problem is there are too many people willing to crack eggs for their own table and the little people can do without.

American omlet construction should be about freedom for all.

64 posted on 10/28/2001 12:08:37 PM PST by clee1
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To: Restorer
Hmmm, I find myself agreeing with parts of your premise. The only gripe is that most of those fleeing a feudal empire usually were caught in the same social class in the new feudal area. They were still trapped in a substandard (for the times) existance.
65 posted on 10/28/2001 12:13:47 PM PST by clee1
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To: clee1
American omlet construction should be about freedom for all.

However, we should keep in mind Burke's comments about the French Revolution. Before we celebrate that others now have the freedom to do whatever they want, we should find out what it is they want to do. Maybe they'll their new freedom to attack us.

Not everybody on the planet has the same ideals or aspirations as most Americans do. For some, the destruction of America is their highest ideal. Their freedom to implement this aspiration is the problem, not a solution.

If everybody on the planet were freed from oppressive governments, our problems would not disappear. Some of them might get worse.

67 posted on 10/28/2001 12:15:44 PM PST by Restorer
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To: clee1
The problem in the Middle Ages was that "substandard" standard of liveing was actually standard. The vast majority of the population lived at the subsistence level. Those at a truly "substandard" level were also known as "those who starved to death."
68 posted on 10/28/2001 12:18:48 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Restorer
Our biggest disadvantage is not being able to locate our enemies.

So should we just accept that disadvantage and admit defeat? I agree it's a serious disadvantage abroad, and even more so at home. I don't thnk there's any way arouund it, and our enemies understand us, and they are actively using our reluctance to kill civilians against us.

I am afraid the only solution is the physical destruction of those enemies we can hit with regrettably large numbers of collateral damage, and the economic and technological reduction of those we can't hit directly.

In a more serious era, we recognized the threat, we could psychologically accept the requirements it laid upon us, and we firebombed Germany, and nuked Japan.

The 'burdens of war' don't mean just long lines at the airport, or even rationing -- more importantly it means watching and supporting your government slaughter foreign civilians because you know in the big picture that it's a just cause, and it's better for free societies to survive the trials of history than tyrannical ones.

It sounds ugly, but it's the truth, and war is ugly.

69 posted on 10/28/2001 12:24:00 PM PST by Monti Cello
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To: clee1
Why would I want to foster the CURRENT state of America on the poor slobs of the world? I prefer to kill the slobs when they attack me. I am for liberty - let them screw up their own country. If they want to kill each other over religion, give the weapons.
70 posted on 10/28/2001 12:29:53 PM PST by Henchman
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To: clee1
This should spark some flames
71 posted on 10/28/2001 12:32:55 PM PST by lawdude
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To: Monti Cello
I'm not suggesting that we should surrender because the task of locating our enemies is difficult. I am suggesting that many of the analogies to WWII are inappropriate.

Look at it this way: During Prohibition, Al Capone and his buddies had tremendous influence in Chicago. Should we have destroyed the city of Chicago and all its inhabitants to get him?

I realize that collateral damage is inevitable in war, especially when one side inetntionally used civilians to hide behind. I do not believe that we should therefore kill millions of civilians to get at a few hundred or thousand terrorists.

Our refusal to do this is what makes us morally superior to the terrorists and puts the lie to those pushing morel equivalency.

72 posted on 10/28/2001 12:35:28 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Uprise
Eventually some islamic nationalist is going to explode a nuke ...That is doom.

That is why we have a small window of opportunity to dismante the ability of tyrannical states to accomplish this, if it's not too late. To pretend that isolationism will, or would prevent these tyrants from attacking us is not realistic, based on radical Islamic intolerance for any system other than their own.

We take the heat because we are the most successful, attractive alternative to their sick vision of the future world. The time is now to take drastic steps to prevent that vision from becoming reality.

73 posted on 10/28/2001 12:41:28 PM PST by Monti Cello
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To: hogwaller
I don't consider myself a Nazi of a facist, and I'm sorry my spelling isn't up to your standard.

However, I am very literate, and I do believe the American Way is the best way, with some justification.

Am I to suppose that your way of dealing with clear and present threats to our nation is to just pat the tyrants on the back and bury our collective head in the sand?

I suspect you are a DU'er, and can only come up with responses like "nazi" and "half-literate". BTW the literate phrase would have been "semi-literate".

74 posted on 10/28/2001 12:45:33 PM PST by clee1
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To: Restorer
Agreed
75 posted on 10/28/2001 12:46:26 PM PST by clee1
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To: clee1
Let me be polite, you seem somewhat less than thoughful.

You cannot legislate or force morality upon people nor can you legislate or force acceptance upon people.

It has been tried several times recently and not worked.

I think the word you're looking for is fascism.

76 posted on 10/28/2001 12:47:51 PM PST by dfrussell
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To: Monti Cello
Should we have destroyed the city of Chicago and all its inhabitants to get [Al Capone]?

Well, we were never forced to declare war against Chicago either. The stakes are quite a bit higher. The similarity with WWII and with all of life, is survival of the fittest. That is what we are facing. Our moral superiority is worthless if we are destroyed in the process of maintaining it.

I agree that some extreme measures, especially those domestically, would be self-defeating, but that bar has been raised awfully high, now that our very existence is under explicit, and probably very credible threat of destruction.

77 posted on 10/28/2001 12:50:17 PM PST by Monti Cello
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To: Henchman
Because as bad as we can be, we are still head-and-shoulders better than what else is out there. I we won't show the world the way, who will?
78 posted on 10/28/2001 12:50:59 PM PST by clee1
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To: dfrussell
Let me be polite, you seem somewhat less than thoughful.

Thank you for being polite. I thought I was plenty thoughtful - but reasonable people are free to disagree.

You cannot legislate or force morality upon people nor can you legislate or force acceptance upon people.

No, but you can refuse to do business with or be friendly with those that don't accept a civilized society.

It has been tried several times recently and not worked.

Name ONE time in the history of the world when evil has not eventually been defeated by good.

I think the word you're looking for is fascism.

Wrong. The word I am looking for is "peace" - it is an impossibility while the majority of the world lives under repressive regimes, many supported in the past by OUR government.

All I am trying to say is that America needs to support the ideals that founded our Nation, while rigorously opposing governments that reject them. That's all. If while supporting these ideals we come under attack (a la 9-11) we should spare no mercy while dealing with the enemy, moral relativism and political correctness be damned.

80 posted on 10/28/2001 1:07:32 PM PST by clee1
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