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Tehran gripped by worst rioting since revolution
Independent/UK ^ | 10/27/01 | Nick Pelham in Tehran

Posted on 10/26/2001 11:10:20 PM PDT by kattracks

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To: majic12
Hi, majic! Thank you for your polite, well-reasoned comments. And thank you for not flaming me or calling me names!

I hope you're right and I wish we could get some hard numbers on the percentage of Iranians that think the way these rioters apparently think. Personally, I don't think it's sufficient to bring about change. We certainly didn't see that many Iranians demonstrating against the regime during the 80s and 90s -- inside or outside Iran. And it's not encouraging that so many Moslems worldwide oppose what we're doing in Afghanistan and the Middle East, and positively hate our guts. But, from a seed grows an oak. So . . . Here's hoping that something new and totally uncharacteristic is taking place in Iran! :-)

121 posted on 10/27/2001 10:40:04 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: kattracks; Petronski; Dedbone; 782gear; spatzie; flyover; jimt; martinchemnitz; gg188...
Ping !! Very good news if even fairly accurate.
123 posted on 10/27/2001 10:46:29 AM PDT by carpio
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To: kattracks
I'm sure Powell can muff this. He'll probably agree to help the Ayatollahs suppress their rebellious youth in trade for a UN vote or something.
124 posted on 10/27/2001 10:48:59 AM PDT by mercy
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To: Illbay
Thanks for your reply. Most interesting and another good sign of better things to come both within and from Iran.
125 posted on 10/27/2001 10:50:04 AM PDT by onyx
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To: reg45
yes! and I was priviledged to be helped by one of them in LA. A great doctor who helped the rest of the doctor's to find out what was wrong with me and treat me!

I will forever be grateful to him.

We talked a bit about Iran. He was from Tehran and I had lived in Ahwaz but had visited Tehran several times. Pretty scary place, Tehran is, for a girl born and bred in flat Oklahoma. Those mountains we drove up and down on terrified me. rofl!

The majority of the Iranians are not our enemies but our friends. Just as bloody bill was most probably a communist sleeper and a communist, he didn't speak for the majority of the U.S. people who believe in a Republican form of government and NOT the communist dictatorship that bloody bill envisioned, wanted, drooled over, and got hard thinking about. I still don't know how he got elected that 2nd time. Maybe it needs to be studied so that we can try to prevent any future demonrats from voter/election fraud in the future.

126 posted on 10/27/2001 10:50:25 AM PDT by chantal7
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To: KantianBurke
An Ozzfest bump :>

When this starts showing up in the neighborhoods, you'll know its end of Iranian civilization, as we know it. :)


127 posted on 10/27/2001 10:52:08 AM PDT by VA Advogado
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To: willyone
No need to flame someone who has lost all hope. :)
128 posted on 10/27/2001 10:54:03 AM PDT by onyx
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To: I_Had_Enough; alethia
[We do need to be careful, though.] They are pro-Iran and want to control the tremendous wealth of oil
Ohh? I guess they are not worth living. And who the hell are you mister?

Sounds like a reasonable post to me... can you be a little more specific in your rebuttal? Americans are pro-America, and want to be wealthy. Iranians are pro-Iran, and want to be wealthy. That's typical human self-interest, and harnessing that drive is the main reason that American Freedom has made this the best nation on the face of the earth.

How does that make one's life worthless?

129 posted on 10/27/2001 10:56:53 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: LibWhacker
I'm not buying it. Have they dismantled their terrorist training camps? It's no surprise: Right before we whack 'em, some of 'em suddenly claim they are our friends. Ummm . . . Too little too late. Now if they really want to convince us, they'll have to string up all their leaders, a la Mussolini. Otherwise -- perhaps in a few months -- bombs away!

This has been going on for many years. They keep on electing non-hardline leaders to their government. This is the final proof for me yet the hardline leaders will panic and give us even less support now. Give it a few years and we will have another good partner in the arab states. Turkey and Iran two very strong nations.
130 posted on 10/27/2001 10:56:58 AM PDT by Libertarian_4_eva
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To: GeronL
Thus goes the nature of the religious regime.
America is at the opposite extreme.
We belong somewhere in between.

132 posted on 10/27/2001 11:16:23 AM PDT by William Terrell
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To: virgil123
Of course, if they were in Palestine protesting Israeli occupation they would be 'terrorists' and all the ass kissing Israeli apologists would be applauding their being mowed down by snipers and tanks.

So you're saying what? The current Teheran government is an occupying force? (Isn't that the term Ashrawi and the Palies like to use for their 'oppressors?') The Israeli government is a fundamentalist authoritarian regime? You don't really know how to draw political comparisons, do you?

Try reading history. Lots of it. Then you can safely venture out into the deep end of the pool, so to speak.

133 posted on 10/27/2001 11:17:36 AM PDT by Petronski
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To: Petronski
Here's a comparison for you. Both the IDF and these Iranian students are battling the oppression of illogical, neanderthal Islamic fundamentalism, and they are both fighting in the name of religious self-determination.
135 posted on 10/27/2001 11:20:41 AM PDT by Petronski
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To: virgil123
Hey virgil123,

The Israelis have a right to existence. They occupied this land long before 1948. The Palestians are just another Arab hate group. They should just go back to their real homeland (Jordan).

136 posted on 10/27/2001 11:24:14 AM PDT by boycott
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To: Teacher317
My post was merely warning us to know the reasons behind alignments -- that we have very few true allies and even amongst our allies (as well as in serving our national interests) lies national security and self interest.

Working with Iran could be extremely beneficial to our interests at this time.

I don't believe I stated at anytime during my post that Iranians had no right to live. Thanks for noting this point, Teacher317.

137 posted on 10/27/2001 11:28:20 AM PDT by alethia
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To: Sabertooth
"Jesse and Sharpton are just about the last of the active orifinal arm-linkers."

Excellent typo. :)

138 posted on 10/27/2001 11:29:25 AM PDT by Don Joe
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To: I_Had_Enough
"Ohh? I guess they are not worth living. And who the hell are you mister?"

You'd guess wrong on two points, I_Had_Enough:

1. They are definitely worth living -- don't recall that I said anything close to that and stated such in my post to Teacher317. A relationship with a revitalized Iran could be quite beneficial to the entire Western World at this point. It is, however, important, to note driving forces in relationships with countries. We have made some serious mistakes in our foreign policy in the past by not noting AND understanding underlying national interests.

2. I'm not a mister -- I'm a Mrs. for about 24 years. ;-D

140 posted on 10/27/2001 11:36:33 AM PDT by alethia
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