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Remarks by President Bush at Signing of USA Patriot Act of 2001
US Newswire ^ | 10/26/01 | George W. Bush

Posted on 10/26/2001 9:17:04 AM PDT by Native American Female Vet

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To: alien2
I also have often noted these loony titles they come up with. They tend to accomplish exactly the opposite of what they claim.

Newspeak/Doublespeak

121 posted on 10/27/2001 1:26:47 AM PDT by Aerial
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To: Texasforever
You can go on living in your dreamworld, as for me, I'll stick to reality. Also, I will continue to post after midnight.
122 posted on 10/27/2001 1:28:35 AM PDT by poet
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To: poet
You can go on living in your dreamworld, as for me, I'll stick to reality. Also, I will continue to post after midnight.

So you admit that this legislation does not really bother you that much? It would seem that you just like scaring the feeble minded when you don't even take your own "fears" seriously.

123 posted on 10/27/2001 1:33:20 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Oh, they'll keep posting and posting and posting. The whingers, whiners, and paranoids are a bunch of babies, who tink that the government is out to get them and only them. I can't even begin to imagine how they would have coped with the Great Depression or WW2.

This is what happens when children have been reared in the Spockian method and public school educated !

Frankly, I am really curious about all of the " sky is falling " contingent on FR. Just how many skies have fallen, are about to fall, shall fall because no one is doing exactly what this " brain trust " thnks should be done ? : - )

124 posted on 10/27/2001 1:46:16 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: poet
" TINFOIL " isn't a platitude. It is simple, FR shorthand.
125 posted on 10/27/2001 1:47:50 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
They are like kids around a campfire telling each other ghost stories, they don't believe them but it is really fun. I guess they are harmless but their insufferable self-importance is a bit hard to take. Do they really think they are important enough for any government agency to even bother with? LOL
126 posted on 10/27/2001 1:52:52 AM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Yes, I thnk that they actually DO imagine that they are THAT " important ".

How many threads have there been, where they congregate and SCREAM about the lose of " rights ", " freedom", and what they KNOW the Founding Fathers thought back then, and what they would say now ? This has been going on long before the events of 9/11/01, and have been at FEVER PITCH since. That they have absolutely NO idea what it is like to live through a time, when this country is REALLY fighting a war for our existance, is why ( I think ) they just don't get it.

The instant gratification and gameboy / internet games have made living in fantasy , a lot of people's reality. I have actually seen FREEPES post that this war had better be over fast, because no one will put up with a long war. How many years was the Revolutionary War fought ? Ditto for the Civil War, and WW2 ? I know, but do they ? What if they had been around then ? I can just hear them squeal : " What, I can't get any needles from Engand ? Someone had better tell old King George Washington that he has to get this war finished by next Tuesday. " LOL

127 posted on 10/27/2001 2:14:58 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: ClancyJ
I agree that the students need to be returned, that those violating immigration need to be handled - all of it. Do you really believe that they are not looking at this aspect?
Then why is there not legislation addressing the immigration issue? Desirous legislation of any sort seems like it can quite readily be passed. Nothing has been passed which addresses your concerns. Why do you think that is? What about an immediate call to secure the borders? That seems like legislation that would have a huge public support, yet our borders are as open as they were before 9-11. What about creating emergency legislation for reviewing the paperwork of all students on visa? That seems like an easy enough task and well within the bounds of our legislators. There are records already in place and if the "student" or "visa participant" doesn't show up then APB's can be issued for those persons. Let LEO's handle it as that is what their job is.

I would think that this is one of the reasons we have a Homeland Security now.
I would think, and rightfully expect the INS to properly do their job, not have another office like the Homeland Security be created. That particular office doesn't seem to be doing anything to address your concerns either.

Yet, these things take time - how do you go in 5 weeks after an attack and totally reorganize our system without studying it, getting information and working out a new system?
Seems like a lot of things can be done in 5 weeks. Heard about the PATRIOT Act? Where is the legislation to overhaul INS? That does seem to be where the problem lies, doesn't it, in your line of reasoning? Why does a whole new "system" have to be "worked out"? Didn't the one in place have enough legislation and financial backing to do the job it was created to do?
You people expect miracles. We have been in this situation 1-1/2 months. In this month we were attacked, the air traffic shut down, 5,000 people killed, massive activation of the military, massive rescue efforts mounted, immediate protective efforts taken, a military plan formulated, coalitions formed, policy stance developed. Then, we were hit with the anthrax attack, more activation of experts, investigations, testing, analyzing while fighting the war, briefings daily, press attacks.
Press attacks? Anyway...From the way you are going it sounds like some miracles were performed. Have you looked at the "miracles" you've listed or do those things seem like they "just happened" on their own?

Yet, continue to expect miracles from the government you apparently think is out to get you.
I don't expect "miracles" from the government. What I do expect is competence, which seems lacking to me in some areas. Miracles are for God, not governments. You seem to think otherwise though.

If you think they are so untrustworthy why in the world would you expect a perfect response to two attacks and total reorganization of the U.S. procedures?
"U.S. procedures" are being reorganized though aren't they. Why, some would argue that the IV Amendment was just done away with. Isn't that reorganizing "U.S. procedures"? And again, I don't expect a "perfect" response, I expect a competent one. I'm not seeing either type of response.
Just a few thoughts of my own concerning your thoughts.

128 posted on 10/27/2001 3:36:36 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: Texasforever
To hear them squeal I am SURE they are never going to turn their computers on again with big brother watching their every move.
Hahahahahaha...I thought I'd never see you here again! Isn't that ironic!
You're a riot!
129 posted on 10/27/2001 3:45:25 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: nopardons
I can't even begin to imagine how they would have coped with the Great Depression or WW2.
I see now. You are part of the generation suckled at the teat of Roseveltian socialism.
Understood.
130 posted on 10/27/2001 3:49:47 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: amundsen
>>>Well I hate it when the government is impeded in any way from investigating citizens. Doesn't it just suck that the government was required to describe the specific things they would search and what they were searching for.<<<

Yeah! Pesky Constitution. This should take care of that hinderance. The police want more "tools" so we hand them a Hammer and Sickle. Patriot indeed!
We're being had.

131 posted on 10/27/2001 3:59:20 AM PDT by Archaeus
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To: freedomcrusader
1361 (relating to injury of Government property or contracts) What if the ecoterrorists employed by the US Forest service decides hunting on the Kings land applies?

9/11 8:00am - Wife ready to go to St.Louis to celebrate her moms birthday.-Didn't go

10/26/2001 - My birthday, one that will never be forgotten.

132 posted on 10/27/2001 4:04:45 AM PDT by listenhillary
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To: Archaeus
How many "tools" did our government have, that were not used to find and detect the terrorists and stop them?

How long before the aquisition of "tools" becomes an annual budget battle? Gotta have more! The cry will be heard that the "tools" we have aren't working and they are not good enough.

133 posted on 10/27/2001 4:23:50 AM PDT by listenhillary
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To: Native American Female Vet
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134 posted on 10/27/2001 4:27:26 AM PDT by foreverfree
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To: sargon
War is no excuse to negate the Constitution; those parts of the Constitution which are subject to suspension in time of War are clearly stated, and this law clearly exceeds those provisions.

AMEN!

135 posted on 10/27/2001 4:30:57 AM PDT by LiberteeBell
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To: ClancyJ
War can be declared on the Taliban government. Once that's done, any other enemy that raises its head becomes the object of our military. Your examples of insurance companies being able to default on claims are too thin. Since when do we allow insurance companies to dictate policy?

Why not drop this snide, condescending tone you're trying to adopt? You can't pull it off without solid backing for your position, which you have failed to present.

Insurance claims, my eye. What else do you have?

136 posted on 10/27/2001 5:26:50 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: ClancyJ
Now you're admitting that you don't even know who is empowered by the Constitution to declare war. The President has no power to declare war. Congress alone has that power.

You need to go read the Constitution and stop sitting glued to CNN and MSNBC. Your ignorance disqualifies you from presenting an opinion. Do something about the ignorance you're wallowing in before jumping people who know better than you do.

137 posted on 10/27/2001 5:32:31 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: Native American Female Vet
Our founding fathers must be rolling over in their graves today.

Roger That !!

140 posted on 10/27/2001 6:30:00 AM PDT by Alabama_Wild_Man
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