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The Life and Death of the American Spectator
The Atlantic Monthly ^ | November, 2001 | Byron York

Posted on 10/23/2001 8:57:10 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez

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To: Luis Gonzalez
Luis my friend, you have a knack for pushing the right buttons, whether with your own writing, or a wisely selected topic. In either event, you rarely, if ever, disappoint.

My time has been limited recently, for reasons you understand, so I have not read all of the posts on this topic, but I will. Now, as you wish, let me tell the the reader that billhilly was what I chose as my screen name when I finally signed up with FR in 2000. I had followed the site since soon after its inception. My real name is David Ward Henderson, and I am the Dave Henderson referred to in Byron York's Atlantic Monthly article. Billhilly was often mistaken, as I intended it to be, for hillbilly. After all, it was the first names of two of our most prominent hillbillies, Bill and Hillary Clinton. OK, I apologize to all of my true hillbilly friends. My Kentucky upbringing gives me liscense.

101 posted on 10/24/2001 8:20:38 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: joebuck
Agreed, the article absolutely ignores the effect the Internet has had, while trying very hard to blame the magazine's problems on some scandalous event. Every single serious publication is suffering the effects of the web. I used to read TAS all the time, along with many other magazines; I don't anymore because, well, we've all got information overload now.

As I spend more and more time on FreeRepublic, I realize that I'm beginning to use it as a primary source of news information, not just a place for reading others' opinions or just shooting the breeze with like-minded people. Everything that TAS used to provide me is here, a thousandfold.

102 posted on 10/24/2001 8:23:47 PM PDT by Jhensy
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To: billhilly
This is quite an honor, sir.
103 posted on 10/24/2001 8:38:25 PM PDT by LurkerNoMore!
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To: billhilly
LOL!!!

Well, looks like the cat's let himself out of the bag!

There are some real feelings of loss for TAS on this thread, there was a lot of good, hard work by R. Emmett, yourself, and the rest involved over the years.

You know, I'm a guajiro myself--hillbilly to the monolingual amongst us--from WAAAAAAAAAAY down South.

The book is great, do you have a release date on it yet?

Luis

104 posted on 10/24/2001 8:50:24 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Luis, and all. It has been my pleasure to have known, and in some cases, to have influenced some of this country's opinion leaders. That influence has not always been positive, as one can see from Byron's article. He suffers, as I have recently, from mono vision. Mine from age, and a series of detached retinas. His from age (youth) and an unformed sense of objectivity.
105 posted on 10/24/2001 9:03:53 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The magazine started downhill about 5 years ago, IMO. Ben Stein's diary was written almost entirely on autopilot, it seemed, and Tyrell was a juvenile windbag, a smart-alecky Mencken wannabe. I let my subscription lapse about 3 years ago, and haven't missed it. I think its high water mark was the issue after the Nicaraguan elections of 1990 (?) when PJ O'Rourke wrote about Bianca Jagger and others unbelievingly witnessing the popular rejection of Daniel Ortega and the Sandinistas, as a bunch of "bummed-out showbiz lefties." That was a good piece.
106 posted on 10/24/2001 9:13:58 PM PDT by Romulus
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To: billhilly
York basically painted a picture of you as a parasitic beguiler of a gullible, power-maddened Tyrrell who would swallow 'hook, line and sinker', any story--no matter how bizarre--about Clinton. Here's your opportunity to confirm or deny his account. Please read the article slowly and carefully and post your thoughts and recollections as they come. Thanks.
108 posted on 10/24/2001 9:41:08 PM PDT by flushed with pride
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To: LurkerNoMore!
I have every American Spectator mag since Jan '93. One of my favorites is the Sept '95 edition, when James Ring Adams first educated me about the Riady connection and the coming campaign finance scandal.... TAS was so far ahead of the mainstream media it was sad.

You just never, never cease to amaze me. The only thing more amazing than this post are those photos of you on the cruise! Freeper Babes Rule!!!! Lord, Why are all the good ones Married?

Regards,

TS

110 posted on 10/24/2001 10:25:57 PM PDT by The Shrew
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Thanks for the bump. A very interesting article. It mirrors some of my thoughts of a conservative intellectual elite that think they should not only run the idealogy of the movement but the players, candidates and nation as well!

An enlightening perspective.

Regards,

TS

111 posted on 10/24/2001 10:33:30 PM PDT by The Shrew
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To: Luis Gonzalez
Thanks for posting this article. As I concur with much of your tastes in things, would you mind adding me to your bump list?
112 posted on 10/25/2001 12:24:53 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: flushed with pride
Well, you assign quite a task for me considering the fact that I completed my own memoir, an 88,000+ word document about the same subject more than a year ago. Unfortunately, my efforts to date have not yielded a publisher.

When Byron called a few months ago and told me he was writing this story I was in the middle of one of several eye surgeries for torn retinas that I endured this summer. In fact, one each in June, July, August and September. Therefore, to be fully cooperative, I offered him my complete manuscript and he accepted. I didn't feel at the time that I could effectively spend the hours that would have been required responding to all of his questions. He quoted from my manuscript where it served his purpose, but ignored the bulk of it.

For starters, it seems interesting to me that Byron chose not to inform the readers that I had served for twelve years on the Board of Directors of TAS. He did mention the seemingly heroic efforts of Terry Eastland, successor to Ron Burr as publisher, in poring over American Express records in an internal probe of how money had been spent in our efforts. What he failed to mention was that they were my American Express Records, and without them to validate a lot of vital information we could have been subject to more than a little embarrasment. The truth is, I used my own documents to guide Terry Eastland's efforts. I might add that I also successfully used them during a federal investigation lasting more than a year that caused me to appear twice before a federal grand jury in Fort Smith Arkansas. Byron did note that Bob Tyrrell and others at the magazine were spared that honor out of a supposed respect for the first ammendment. Finally, Byron follows the Salon Magazine formula used in reporting that same story endlessly. He makes mention of James Ring Adams, a fine writer for TAS at the time, who wrote most of the magazines Whitewater stories. He failed to mention, however, that Jim Adams had credited my work and that of Steve Boynton in his efforts at finding and understanding those stories.

Lastly, David Brock was a determining factor in what was published in TAS during much of the period covered by the "Arkansas Project." He held sway over both Burr and Wlady, publisher and editor respectively. In 1994 Brock had an article published in Forbes Media Critic in which he declaired certain reporting about the Clintons to be off limits. That included a lot of the reporting that went unwritten at TAS. In effect, Brock was criticising his own employer on the pages of another magazine. We all know what subsequently happened to Brock.

113 posted on 10/25/2001 7:47:19 AM PDT by billhilly
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To: billhilly
I remember you posted a while back that you had a rather interesting and significant real identity (or words to that effect... please forgive me, I am paraphrasing from memory.) You may remember I sent you freepmail asking you if you were Billy Dale.

Looks like I was wrong. Although it does look like you are in an unusually good position to empathize with Billy Dale.

114 posted on 10/25/2001 9:06:03 AM PDT by murdoog
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To: murdoog
I remember. Thanks for contacting me.
115 posted on 10/25/2001 9:09:51 AM PDT by billhilly
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To: Great Dane
Bump for later reading.
116 posted on 10/25/2001 9:42:18 AM PDT by ConservativeLibrarian
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To: Dan from Michigan
When they refused to swallow the Foster Kool-Aid, Scaife took his money away.
117 posted on 10/25/2001 9:49:07 AM PDT by JohnGalt
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To: ken5050
I think what really killed TAS was the internet....

Good point. One example: my favorite feature in the Spectator was the back page, where readers would send in examples of liberal stupidity. That was great 10 years ago, but nowadays, when Michael Moore says something stupid, we've already posted it, analyzed it, mocked it, etc. within 24 hours of him saying it. Why wait months for a magazine to do the same thing?

118 posted on 10/25/2001 10:24:36 AM PDT by NYCVirago
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To: Luis Gonzalez
On March 17 the online magazine Salon published "The Road to Hale," a story that accused Scaife and the Spectator of funneling money to David Hale, by way of Parker Dozhier, allegedly to influence Hale's testimony against the President.

I remember when this story came out I did a little research on the timeline. I am pretty sure that Hale was making his allegations against Clinton before the Arkansas project began. That would make any allegations of bribery and witness tampering extremely suspect. Why risk legal problems when the person you are allegedly bribing is already saying what you want them to say?

119 posted on 10/25/2001 11:40:20 AM PDT by murdoog
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To: Luis Gonzalez
They threw away original illustrations by Elliott Banfield.

They threw away ELLIOTT BANFIELDS work? There must be some law against that!! And if there's any justice, it would call for corporal punishment.

120 posted on 10/25/2001 12:46:45 PM PDT by murdoog
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