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Posted on 10/23/2001 1:54:11 PM PDT by HopieAnn

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To: HopieAnn
Check out a letter he wrote called "I'm a good American".
41 posted on 10/23/2001 2:57:34 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: Illbay
Mom, you need to have your kid put in some effort, rather than passively wait for it to come to him.

Sorry, but I have to take issue with this so-called 'conservative' viewpoint on what counts as 'self-sufficiency.' On the contrary, asking for help is an absolutely necessary job skill if a person is to be productive in a modern technological society where the amount of knowledge far transcends any one person's ability to comprehend it unaided.

As an engineering student in the 1970s, I found that my independent streak often backfired, because my teachers often failed to explain to us how to log onto the school computer system and access our accounts, and so I ended up wasting hours at the Computer Center trying to figure out what 'I' did wrong. In the end, I'd ask a fellow student, and he would say, "Oh, he forgot to mention in class that we need to -- " and then it would take ten seconds to correct the problem.

The problem, of course, was unique to the computer system. There was no way that a person could figure it out on his own, and even if I had, there was no way that I could parlay knowledge of a temporary system account password into valuable future knowledge.

In the corporate world, I've found that the hardest thing to do is ask someone else for help -- and nothing is so useful. A co-worker can explain in five minutes what two hours of reading the manuals won't.

Personally, though, I think the kid is better off going to a library and asking a librarian. The librarian will actually give him information -- rather than imperiously lecture him on how he must, at age 10, somehow learn the Internet without anyone helping him.

42 posted on 10/23/2001 3:14:46 PM PDT by 537 Votes
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To: HopieAnn
The Library of Congress' collection (series 1) of his exercise books and diaries
43 posted on 10/23/2001 3:18:04 PM PDT by That Poppins Woman
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To: winodog
My 10 year old's teacher actually has encouraged me to help, especially with research and final drafts.
He has to do most of the work, but I have to help on most projects.
I think I am lucky to only have one to help!
Otherwise, there would be no dinner, laundry or whatever done!
44 posted on 10/23/2001 3:21:43 PM PDT by ozaukeemom
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To: ThreadKiller
Classic!!!!!
47 posted on 10/23/2001 3:46:13 PM PDT by HopieAnn
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To: DainBramage
I can't believe nobody has suggested this little 'gem'...

Son of the Republic, look and learn

:-O

48 posted on 10/23/2001 3:50:28 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: 537 Votes
On the contrary, asking for help is an absolutely necessary job skill

Asking for help when you can't help yourself is "compassionate conservatism." But the "conservative" part resides in the clause "when you can't help yourself." When you CAN do it yourself, you should.

49 posted on 10/23/2001 3:53:54 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: HopieAnn
Here ol' George's best quote:

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."

Words to live by.

50 posted on 10/23/2001 3:54:22 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts
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To: HopieAnn
Now can you guys come over and help with his yarn wig!

You know I'd love to, but I'm too busy turning my nine year old daughter into a fairy.
(The cute kind; Female, has wings, sprinkles dust and says trick or treat.)

52 posted on 10/23/2001 4:44:24 PM PDT by rainingred
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To: HopieAnn
I'd suggest Washington's IIRC Second Inaugural Address and Farewell Address as being good sources for interesting quotes. I'd also suggest that his will contains a wonderfully politically-incorrect bit with regard to his children's disposition of his swords.
53 posted on 10/23/2001 5:34:27 PM PDT by supercat
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To: ThreadKiller
OMG! LOL!!!
54 posted on 10/23/2001 5:56:40 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: jlogajan
Your recommendation would apply to college level learning or above. You don't need original sources to learn about general concepts and developments. Such a route is highly inefficient.

BS. We aren't talking about Plato here. Washington's speeches and writings while thoughtful, are not too complex for an intelligent 10 year old. Besides, my point was that the general concepts and developments you speak of may be WRONG since some of it was written by someone with a political agenda. Have the kid read Washington's inaugural and farewell addresses, then get copies of letters he wrote. If nothing else, summarize that. Any thoughtful teacher would like to see that versus a regurgitation (sp?) of facts.

Case in point: when I was in 8th grade (13 yrs.) I was assigned a report on Jupiter (the planet, btw, not the god). In my "research" in the school library, one source I went to was one of the encyclopedias. During one class period that the teacher had allowed us to go to the library and do "research," she walked by me while I was taking notes out of that particular volume. She then spoke up to the whole class and announced that she didn't want us simply "copying the encyclopedia" for our report. First of all, I wasn't copying the encycllopedia, but second, and more importantly, where did she expect me to get my information since the assignment begged for "copying" as she put it. Today, the internet makes that report a snap; simply cut and paste a few facts, format it, type your name, and you are done. That's not education. But the Washington assignment would be perfect to introduce the kid to original research.

The concept of original research is simple: go to the original text. A 10 year old, in a report about Washington can easily go to the texts and at worst summarize them. A proper report would be some sort of summary of the concepts you speak of. I'm simply saying (in a drawn-out way) that instead of summarizing what is written about the text, summarize the text. A 10 year old today who can surf the internet can summarize Washington's writings.

55 posted on 10/24/2001 6:00:23 PM PDT by 1L
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To: HopieAnn
I know what you're looking for. Something not in the books. O.k. In Point Pleasant West Va. where the Kanawah River flows into the Ohio, there sits a tiny log museum. Inside there is a framed yellow newspaper, and if you look closely you will see an advertisement placed by one George Washington seeking to sell a section of land in this part of what was once Virginia. A young GW worked as a surveyor and was the one who took on the task of surveying this rugged state. If I remember correctly, he was only 24 at the time. He bought a lot of the land he surveyed and later sold it. Made himself very wealthy at a young age. Hope this is a starting place. You might follow up on his time spent in the wilderness.
56 posted on 10/24/2001 7:39:34 PM PDT by WVNan
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To: HopieAnn
He had wooden teeth and grew a load of hemp.
57 posted on 10/24/2001 7:44:05 PM PDT by Osinski
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To: HopieAnn
Besides being a leader of a nation and an army, he was a citizen of the people. Late in his life (in his mid 60's I believe) he was riding near his home and saw a home burning. He raced to the site and began directing a bucket brigade to help quench the fire. When it became appearent that the brigade needed more men, he moved into position and assisted with the buckets keeping up with men barely a third his age.

Your son would do well to learn about this man, our first president.

Source: AFRT (Armed Forces Radio and Television. You don't get comercials on TV piped in to Okinawa so they throw in American trivia)

58 posted on 10/24/2001 8:01:12 PM PDT by dpa5923
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To: 1L
I'm not saying you shouldn't learn how to do original research. I'm saying that for most things it is extremely inefficient. There are adequate abstracted concepts available for most areas of study.

Historians bicker about various interpretations of the past, so doing original research is no guarantee even in the study of history that your intrepretation will be any closer to the reality -- you always have to look at history through someone elses eyes -- or if you lived it, you have your own biases.

So the benefits of original research are slim -- except if that is your actual career field, and then the original research is resulting in abstract concepts that others can use in the future -- so they don't need to expend the resources twice.

59 posted on 10/24/2001 9:08:39 PM PDT by jlogajan
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