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Rethinking America: What Made It Great?
Mercurial Times ^ | October 22, 2001 | Dorothy Anne Seese

Posted on 10/22/2001 8:58:52 PM PDT by Mercuria

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To: Mercuria
You forgot Osama bin Falwell and Omar Robertson on your ping list....
61 posted on 10/23/2001 5:58:17 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Mercuria
God, Guns, Guts, Gas Turbines, and Watery Beer made America Great! Let's keep all five! :o)
62 posted on 10/23/2001 6:00:00 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: SLJP
The fossilar evidence is entirely too incomplete to provide a viable argument.

That's because you approach the evidence of the fossil record the same way the Taliban approaches the evidence of bin Laden's guilt.

63 posted on 10/23/2001 6:02:00 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: steve-b
OUCH!

Good kill!

64 posted on 10/23/2001 6:04:51 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Mercuria
The bible is a great book. However, its role is almost over. During the dark ages, uneducated people used the book as a referance for good conduct (they preached only the sanitised verses, and ignored the violant hateful verses). In the twenty first century, more and more enlightened people are discovering that religeon is nothing more than a code of ethics. People who are still obssessed with their religeon are showing that they are still behind is self discovery of the truth (good example is Moslem people). The current ethics of most American today is even better than most holy books standared, in referance to women for example.
65 posted on 10/23/2001 6:13:00 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: Mercuria
Very Good Article.
Thanks for the Ping J
66 posted on 10/23/2001 7:12:21 AM PDT by Fiddlstix
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To: philosofy123; Mercuria
"The bible is a great book. However, its role is almost over."

That is not the conclusion I come to with an ongoing study of these documents and in light of what they hold forth, that is a very bold statement. Or do you mean that the fulfillment of all it's prophesies are near?

"We were founded on Christian principles, we were settled by Bible-believing Puritans and Pilgrims, we were established as a nation by God-fearing men who believed in the liberty that is proclaimed by our religion: ours was the liberty to be what God wants, not license to do as everyone pleases. We've forgotten what was once our original understanding of liberty.

We can't haul people to church at sword's point or baptize them at the point of a gun. That doesn't make character, it makes intimidated subjects. (Think Sudan,Indonesia...) Christianity is a religion of freedom, of liberty, but within the boundaries of the "thou shalt nots" set down by the Almighty for our good."

Thanks Mercuria

67 posted on 10/23/2001 7:52:55 AM PDT by Dust in the Wind
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To: poet
Thank you for that!
68 posted on 10/23/2001 8:00:26 AM PDT by Dust in the Wind
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To: Mercuria
"For what it's worth...I think she makes powerful and spiritually insightful points!"

While I find myself in agreement with much of what this gal points out?
I also see much of this *relativism* [being] preached from the pulpits of Catholic (Jesuits), Episcopalean, & Methodist churches; to name only three denominations.

We're a nation founded on the Word of God; without the requirement of God. This is a classic paradox, I have to believe.

To force Christianity upon the peoples of our Republic would among others things, eventually require we coin a new, Christian equivalent of the word, Mullah. For we will have a definite need for one given just a few of those I've met here on this forum professing their great, undivided devotion while displaying behaviors that're laughable if not altogether pathetic.

I for one am not comfortable with such a scenario as our having Christian Mullahs; regardless of what we'd call 'em, in any event.

To solve the issue for myself?

I admit to myself my faith & belief in God, Heaven & Hell. ~No doubt; I'm a believer.
As such, I almost always try living the spirit of His Word & while not always succeeding; I do try nonetheless.
Lastly, I have made it a point to not be concerned with my neighbors; where they do not ask for said concern.
My, "religious freedom" stops where their's starts; at our lot line.

America; ain't it great.

69 posted on 10/23/2001 8:13:55 AM PDT by Landru
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To: Captainpaintball; Mercuria
"The Gospel is offensive to sinners."

That sentence jumped out at me, too.

This underlies the moral relativism of the liberal left. If there is no right or wrong, they are not sinners, they are just "tolerant" and "non-judgmental."

Thanks for posting Miss Seese. Excellent, thought provoking article.

70 posted on 10/23/2001 8:28:49 AM PDT by RottiBiz
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To: BMCDA
I really doubt that. Hey, I mean even the ACLU says you can pray in schools and government buildings (or wherever you want). Maybe you should contact the ACLU to help you if you and your nieces are denied that right ;-)

Oh please! First of all, I wouldn't contact that bunch of left-left-wing, anti-Constitutional, smug, self-rightous, and overbearing twerps if my life depended on it! Second, while Christians can go into a bathroom stall and pray silently, if we were to make a habit of meeting in a public area and praying out loud, you can bet your bottom dollar that someone would scream about it, and loudly.

My father teaches high school French during the regular school year at my old alma mater, and is on the education assocation (but he's a Republican, thank God!), and he had to help a group of Christian students who met at the flag pole before school even began in the mornings try to get the right to pray aloud restored after a couple of students' parents whined to the principal and on up the chain! It was plastered all over the news! They had to make a compromise, eventually, but they certainly did not "win." The ACLU never returned any phone calls made to them. They sent my father a fax, though, and said that the non-Christians who took offense had rights too, and they could not participate with infringing on those "rights."

I used to work for the state here, and my office building was above the Tennessee Performing Arts Center and State Museum. We shared a lobby, and all kinds of Christian "trappings" were banned from being placed on the bulletin boards, hung on the inside of the elevators, or displayed anywhere at all in public view. At Christmas time, when Christmas trees were allowed, but nativity displays were banned, the ACLU was contacted by the security guard in the lobby (she is a Christian and a friend of mine), but they were "not interested." They claimed they did not want to offend non-Christians who may work there, or who may visit from "all around the world." It could "give them the wrong impression of Tennessee and America."

So kindly do not tell me what you know better than I do; as you were not present during either of these ridiculous events, and you have no idea what took place, and how intolerant our communities here have become. Thanks to the stupid ACLU!

71 posted on 10/23/2001 9:31:48 AM PDT by Beep
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; Mercuria
"One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors." PLATO
72 posted on 10/23/2001 9:35:22 AM PDT by d14truth
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To: steve-b
That's because you approach the evidence of the fossil record the same way the Taliban approaches the evidence of bin Laden's guilt.

Since you have no clue as to what I know and make of the incomplete chain of your fossil record, I would suggest that you refrain speaking on how I "approach" it, or anything else for that matter. I have never spoken to you, nor have I even seen your handle before, and you do not know me at all, much less how I "approach" anything -- including a ham and cheese sandwich!

73 posted on 10/23/2001 9:39:31 AM PDT by Beep
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To: Poohbah
Good kill!

Rhetoric nonsense! And not even humorous, either.

74 posted on 10/23/2001 9:41:31 AM PDT by Beep
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To: philosofy123
"During the dark ages, uneducated people used the book as a reference for good conduct...."

The 'Book' was not available during the Dark Ages. The clerics spoke from the 'ancient writings' to the illiterate masses.

The great majority, including myself, have not yet read nor come to an understanding of the entire Book(66 books--or 71 for Catholics, I believe); but, there are thousands, if not millions, ready to 'trash' it, based on the 'opinions' of others.

At some point, one accepts or rejects something for themselves; that they would not allow other adults the same 'pursuit of happiness' and freedom to choose shows immaturity and a lack of confidence in their own decision, for they could be shown to be wrong. The 'decision for Christ'(or against him) is personal, not corporate. As for me, I believe by my faith.

75 posted on 10/23/2001 9:49:03 AM PDT by d14truth
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To: Fiddlstix
"Very Good Article.

Thanks for the Ping"

DITTO!!! and Good Morning, Fiddlstix. How do you do that 'smiley' face thing?

76 posted on 10/23/2001 9:51:20 AM PDT by d14truth
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To: d14truth
Fiddlstix. How do you do that 'smiley' face thing?

Since I'm here, hope you don't mind if I field that? *G* Likely, by the use of the wingdings font! ;-}

77 posted on 10/23/2001 9:57:22 AM PDT by Beep
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To: Mercuria
Hugs for this, Mercuria. A few quotes for those who still cling to the belief that science and faith are exclusive:

Science quotation archives:

Mathematics is the alphabet with which God has written the universe.

--Pythagoras

"That God would choose to play dice with the world is something that I cannot believe for a single moment."

--Albert Einstein
(his statement usually quoted as, "God does not play dice with the universe.")

"Every formula which expresses a law of nature is a hymn of praise to God."

--Maria Mitchell,
19th century astronomer, first woman chosen for the American Academy of Arts and Scicences (1848).

Famous scientists speak about evolution, creation...

In the conclusion of his treatise, Harmony of Worlds, Johannes Kepler wrote:

I thank Thee, my Creator and Lord, that Thou hast given me this joy in Thy creation, this delight in the works of Thy hands; I have shown the excellency of Thy works unto man, so far as my finite mind was able to comprehend Thine infinity; if I have said aught of Thy glory, graciously forgive it.

(see link for more from Faraday, Newton, Kepler, Maxwell)
...and-Galileo Galilei:

I am inclined to think that the authority of Holy Scripture is intended to convince men of those truths which are necessary for their salvation, which, being far above man's understanding, can not be made credible by any learning, or any other means than revelation by the Holy Spirit.

More quotations:

78 posted on 10/23/2001 10:05:16 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: abigail2
That's a fact. I love science. It brings one closer to God to see the beauty of HIS creation.

I used the term theories in more of a technical way. I agree that many many things in science are facts. The above is very much the way I see science too.

79 posted on 10/23/2001 10:15:16 AM PDT by WRhine
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To: d14truth
It Wingdings: Copy this and paste it when you want to use a Smiley face.

<font face = "wingdings" size = 4> J</font>

Have Fun J
80 posted on 10/23/2001 10:36:19 AM PDT by Fiddlstix
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