OK, I’ve HAD It With Freepers Going Queer for Torture.

Self | 22 Oct. 01 | Grut

[LoneRangerMassachusetts]

These fanatical Arab Muslim rats are soldiers operating behind enemy (us) lines out of uniform. Tradition has it they have no rights and can be executed. I don't see any fundamental problem with Americans keeping their civil rights and LIVES while extracting necessary information out of these B*?tards. Get real. Our lives and the lives of our children depend upon us adapting to this new virulent and vicious form of warfare. Give these rats no shelter from the pain and suffering they wish upon us.

[muawiyah]

The way it's been used is there any serious difference between RICO and torture?

If not, why should the government restrict its punitive efforts to holiness preachers while letting terrorists off the hook?

[Equality 7-2521]

Ah, so the detainees in question have all been convicted of conspiracy. If that's true, then I agree that torture is reasonable--assuming that the torture is neither cruel nor unusual which is a difficult condition for torture to comply with. I hesitate to give blank checks to torture anyone who is merely claimed to be a suspect, however.

I would agree with the poster and challenge anyone to give a legal basis either Constitutional or case law that supports the rather absurd conjecture that rights apply only for Americans.

[Uncle Meat]

The only differences between them and "Muslim fanatics" are geography and language. Stop torturing me,you're making me laugh so hard my sides are splitting.

[El Gato]

Scenario: threat of nuclear bomb on US city. Possible co-conspirator in custody and won't talk. Tomorrow is the BIG day. Whay would you do?

Torture is one of the least effective means of getting information, especially from zealots like the truely guilty in this case are. The innocent will tell you whatever they think you want to hear, the guilty will feed you bad information.

I'm not familiar with the effectiveness and/or safety of so called "truth serums". I do now that I jabber away like crazy as I'm coming out of anethesia, but don't know that I'd say anything I didn't want to say, just things that I might normally not say to total stangers.

[ValerieUSA]

Oh. I couldn't figure out what the headline meant, so I made the mistake of clicking on this IDIOTIC RANT by a doo-doo head. I'm sorry.

[Aedammair]

Remember Madame DeFarge and her ilk with their mini guillotines (sp?) in the front row of public decapitations? You are absolutely right; ignorant peasants. At least the French peasants were and had been starving for years; their glee not much, but a little easier to reconcile. And they also killed their enemies themselves, not by WWF proxy.

[FlyVet]

Depends on your definition of torture. What's wrong with a little sleep deprivation and/or sodium pentathol? How about letting them loose in the general population of a maximum-security prison, with their motives known to the convicts? Now THAT'S what I call TORTURE. And yet, many inmates suffer it regularly, especially those who aren't big and strong enough to fend off you-know-what.

[goodieD]

Yeah and the left says that by merely striking back at the terrorists we have reduced ourselves to barbarians...it's all a matter of opinion. Ya gotta do what ya gotta do.

[Texaggie79]

You will only hear what you want to hear.

Ok, say I want to hear where a certain person is. Perhaps they lie, so I torture them worse when I discover it is not true. Eventually they will get the idea.

[Texaggie79]

Torture is not forbidden as a punishment for a crime, regardless of what the Supreme Court says.

The SCOTUS is not my source. The CONSTITUTION is. 8th Amendment.

[Smogger]

They do not deserve human rights since they are not human

Hmmm... sub human you say, eh?

All of this the ends justifies the means bs.. makes me sick. Screw having the moral high ground then, huh? Will just devolve like the friggin Taliban then. Get down on their level.

Torture is immoral and just plain wrong period under any circumstances. Sh!t man. We are the good guys..

[Texaggie79]

Or tell them you will bury their bodies in pork lard if they don't tell. :-)

[Psycho_Bunny]

You seem to think your opinion is more enlightened than the rest of ours.

More credence would have been given to your thoughts, had they not been in the form of a screed.

[poweqi]

this is really about you getting your feelings hurt on another thread Which thread? I want to read it.

[Texaggie79]

that the torture is neither cruel nor unusual which is a difficult condition for torture to comply with.

Only if it were a punishment. That is all the 8th applies to.

[FreedomIsSimple]

All I can say is, Amen. Most likely, the ones who are for torture are also for the War on Drugs (but that's a whole different thread).

They call themselves conservatives, but they're just statist scum like the liberals.

[Grut]

BTW, exactly where and what are my goolies????

"Goolies" is a word gifted to us by the ineffable Terry Pratchett; it means, approximately, a volume of space bounded by a left leg, a right leg, a hammer and an anvil.