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Andrew Sullivan's jihad (Embarrassed by Sullivan, Salon Editor Talbot Throws a HUGE Tantrum!)
Salon ^ | October 20, 2001 | David Talbot

Posted on 10/20/2001 2:44:13 PM PDT by Timesink

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Andrew Sullivan's jihad
Since Sept. 11, the British journalist has declared himself the mullah of the media world, sitting in judgment of American writers' patriotism.

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By David Talbot

Oct. 20, 2001 | I like and respect journalist Andrew Sullivan, though I often disagree with his opinions. I find much of what he has to say about soggy thinking on the left to be a bracing tonic -- which is why Salon has published his views, along with those of David Horowitz, Norah Vincent, Camille Paglia and other conservative or independent critics of lockstep, left-wing thought. On the few occasions I've had the pleasure of his company, I've enjoyed his wit and charm. Since the horrors of Sept. 11, however, Sullivan's voice has become a shriek, hitting an ear-piercing decibel that, whether intended or not, drives out the possibility of rational discussion.

In recent weeks, Sullivan has taken it upon himself to evaluate whether his fellow writers and commentators are sufficiently patriotic. He broods darkly -- in the pages of his native British press, on his Web site and on the Op-Ed pages of the Wall Street Journal -- that America harbors nests of traitors, or in his words "decadent left enclaves on the coasts [that] may well mount a fifth column." And like all Manichaean guardians of national security, from the days of the Alien and Sedition Acts to those of Joseph McCarthy, Sullivan has turned his pumped-up and disproportionate rhetoric toward rooting out these disloyal Americans in his midst.

On his Web site, he does not just engage antiwar writer Katha Pollitt, whose tortured ruminations in the Nation on whether to fly a flag from her New York apartment window were admittedly neurotic and absurd. He seeks to obliterate her, gloating after a lopsided debate with her on public radio that "I took no prisoners." In the church of Sullivan, those who criticize or express ambivalence about the bombing of Afghanistan are not just wrong -- they are corrupt souls who must be excommunicated from the American congregation.

Turning his gaze of moral reproach on Salon, Sullivan has branded Gary Kamiya an appeaser for proposing that it's time for Washington to put pressure on the Israelis and the Palestinians to reach a peace settlement -- even though the tough and worldly men Sullivan so ardently admires in the Bush administration began taking this very line days later. And Friday, Sullivan lashed into me for conducting an interview "on [my] knees" with Susan Sontag, in which she characterized the bin Laden terror network as implacable and deadly foes while criticizing the bombing campaign's impact on civilians. Sullivan was as incensed by Sontag's remarks as he was by my introductory comments about the efforts of Sullivan's conservative colleagues to banish her from the world of acceptable intellectual discourse. "These pampered journalists," he fumed, "who have never seen a moment of real censorship in their lives, and who have marginalized conservative voices for their entire careers in their own organs and field of influence, take the occasion of the massacre of thousands of their fellow citizens to worry about themselves -- and preen self-righteously at the same time."

Since Sullivan has unleashed the hounds of patriotic fury, I'll respond with some nationalistic zeal of my own. It's repellent to be lectured about my commitment to America, which is deep and true, by an arrogant and self-important Brit. And it's equally galling to be scolded about my supposed intolerance of conservative dissent in Salon when I have made a consistent effort to include Sullivan's own voice and that of many of his fellow conservatives in our pages. Sullivan has often fallen to his own knees before President Bush in Salon. In fact there is no political journal in the country -- on the left or right -- that publishes as eclectic a mix of opinions as we do. The same week we published the interview with Sontag, Salon ran a cover essay by her son, David Rieff, blasting the Berkeley City Council's anti-bombing resolution and the "depraved rationalizations of the American left." When Sullivan seeks ideological variety, does he eagerly reach for the latest National Review or Weekly Standard? His own site is rigorously monochromatic -- one-note blasts from the increasingly narrow confines of his own head.

Earlier this year, Sullivan was exposed by the gay press for advertising for "bareback" sex (unprotected by condoms) in an AOL chat room and denounced as a hypocrite by his liberal gay critics for engaging in risky sexual practices after attacking President Clinton for his own incautious behavior. Salon was among Sullivan's most vocal defenders, running two pieces that condemned the invasion of his sexual privacy and the political motivations behind his "outing." It wasn't FreeRepublic.com that rallied around Sullivan; those conservative "enclaves" are too busy tossing kindling on the pyres to burn the sodomites. Their latest cause is blasting the Bush administration for apologizing on behalf of the Navy crewmen who painted "hijack this, fags" on missiles headed toward Afghanistan.

Speaking of the "decadent left enclaves on the coasts," who does Sullivan think fights for his right to enjoy the sexual pleasures of his choosing? His increasingly intolerant rhetoric is an affront to the very culture that protects him. If a right-wing theocracy ever came to power in America, guess who'd be the first person whose ass would be rounded up, self-described "power glutes" and all? And guess which Web journalists would be among the first to demand his freedom?

Sullivan's Taliban style of argument and his rigid habit of separating the world into the blessed and the damned turns American politics into a free-fire zone where any deviation from his view of the national program is immediately leveled. His absolutism has no way to account for someone with my views -- and there are many like me --without grossly caricaturing them. I strongly support the U.S. air and ground war against bin Laden and the Taliban. I believe unrelenting military force is the only way to destroy this ruthless enemy. I proudly display an American flag in my window. But I also believe that unless America works just as hard at making peace in the Middle East as we currently are at making war, our country will never be safe. And I believe that the American cause is served, not sabotaged, by those who disagree vehemently with my positions.

It is true that the urge to censor comes not just from the right, but also from the left. When U.C.-Berkeley's student government denounced a campus cartoonist for his allegedly culturally insensitive swipe at Islamic terrorists and clamored to put his editors in a reeducation program, these young centurions of correct speech were rightly blasted throughout the media world and quickly wilted under the fire. But journalists, including Sullivan, should be particularly vigilant against censorship when it's advocated by the government. It may strike Sullivan as "pampered" for American journalists to worry about this, but our ancestors fought and died for the right of free speech. During every crisis in our country's history, this freedom is the first to be challenged by self-proclaimed patriots as a threat to national security. If the press and the public don't fight for freedom of speech at times like these, it will quickly become a hollow right.

Andrew Sullivan is an insightful and intelligent man. He needs to pull back from his current jihad. There is too much testosterone pumping through his veins these days. He is right to be furious. The country has suffered a grievous blow -- one stunning in its premeditated wickedness -- and we are still being afflicted with threats to our security. The terrorist assault demands and is receiving a ferocious response. But it also demands that we all think deeply and carefully about how to make the country and the world safer, not just scream in outrage.

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About the writer
David Talbot is Salon's founder and editor in chief.



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To: bootyist-monk
what's the purple triangle stand for?
21 posted on 10/20/2001 3:22:02 PM PDT by PeterBarringer
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To: Timesink
Is David Talbot any relation to Strobe Talbot?

FReegards,

22 posted on 10/20/2001 3:23:10 PM PDT by VMI70
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To: sailor4321
Couldn't a person be "liberal" and still
view homosexuality as the deviance it is?

Do liberals view homosexuality the way
social conservatives do?   Good question.

23 posted on 10/20/2001 3:23:54 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: JJ59
JJ59:

I read the article interviewing Susan Sontag. You and Andrew are right about "texts." But I have another angle. "Texts" may be a polite sidestep that Sontag has written very few books. Just a bunch of articles and "editor" credits.

But she has her good points:

In the piece, which she wrote shortly after the terror attacks of Sept. 11, Sontag dissected the political and media blather that poured out of the television in the hours after the explosions of violence. After subjecting herself to what she calls "an overdose of CNN," Sontag reacted with a coldly furious burst of analysis, savaging political leaders and media mandarins for trying to convince the country that everything was OK, that our attackers were simply cowards, and that our childlike view of the world need not be disturbed.

I share her visceral reaction to CNN. And,

This is one thing I do completely agree with David on: If tomorrow Israel announced a unilateral withdrawal of its forces from the West Bank and the Gaza strip -- which I am absolutely in favor of --- followed by the proclamation of a Palestinian state, I don't believe it would make a dent in the forces that are supporting bin Laden's al-Qaida. I think Israel is a pretext for these people.

I agree with her here too. This is an important statement. I feared that the Identity Left (or whatever) would Palestinianize this crisis, and infantilize our world understanding to their obsessional level. I don't think that's working, although their immediate outbursts seemed to be working in that direction.

24 posted on 10/20/2001 3:23:55 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Timesink
If this is the case, why did we defend Sullivan in such numbers?

Did 'we'?

25 posted on 10/20/2001 3:25:26 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: xm177e2
It's possible to agree with someone's politics without approving of or "accepting" their personal conduct, just as I'm sure that some may disagree with Sullivan's political views while fully approving of his private behavior.
26 posted on 10/20/2001 3:26:14 PM PDT by clintonh8r
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To: PeterBarringer
It's actually pink. Search google for "pink triangle" and it will become apparent immediately.

Of course, the joke (or lack thereof) depends on it.

27 posted on 10/20/2001 3:29:50 PM PDT by bootyist-monk
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To: bootyist-monk
oh i see... it's a CANADIAN thing... hehehe
28 posted on 10/20/2001 3:31:59 PM PDT by PeterBarringer
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To: gcruse
Did 'we'?

I think so. I seem to recall the posts being about 75-25 pro-Sullivan at the time.

29 posted on 10/20/2001 3:33:22 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: xm177e2
I find Sullivan eventually will think with his other head, and that tends to taint his writing.He maybe on the Right, but he is also in one of the identity camps that do seem to flourish on the Left.Instead of being a right leaning writer that is gay, he a GAY man who writes from a moderate conservative perspective.He makes a big deal of his sexuality, and for that even a libertarian can smell an opportunist.He's hit or miss, IMHO.
30 posted on 10/20/2001 3:35:25 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: gcruse
Bump for Andrew Sullivan.
31 posted on 10/20/2001 3:37:29 PM PDT by corkoman
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To: Timesink
David Talbot is Salon's founder and editor in chief.

I think that it is more likely that Talbot is a closet homophobe.

32 posted on 10/20/2001 3:39:30 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: PeterBarringer
Gay pride and Teletubbies
33 posted on 10/20/2001 3:40:11 PM PDT by conservativesoutherner
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To: bootyist-monk
Er, you put the triangle upside-down -- or, more precisely, you didn't put the triangle upside-down -- or.. oh, hell, you know what I mean.
34 posted on 10/20/2001 3:41:52 PM PDT by steve-b
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To: habs4ever
and for that even a libertarian can smell an opportunist

... so show me an American writer/commentator that can deck the Left the way Sullivan does

36 posted on 10/20/2001 3:47:56 PM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: Kennard
Krauthammer, Mugger, Hugh Hewitt, Sowell, Horowitz, Deb Weiss, Mark Steyn, Mike Kelly, John Leo...lots of them...
37 posted on 10/20/2001 3:51:09 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: conservativesoutherner
gay pride and teletubbies = BAAAARFFFF.... spit.. wipes chin... oh GAHH not AGA..WRRRRRREEEEEEEETCHHHHH
38 posted on 10/20/2001 3:55:04 PM PDT by PeterBarringer
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To: habs4ever
But somehow it seems much more effective when it comes from one of their "own"
39 posted on 10/20/2001 4:05:09 PM PDT by L`enn
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To: Timesink
You know Sullivan is dissecting the left when Talbot launches this kind of mean-spirited homophobic attack.
40 posted on 10/20/2001 4:15:55 PM PDT by BillF
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