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Israel enters the rest of West Bank
UPI | 10/20/01

Posted on 10/19/2001 10:04:30 PM PDT by kattracks

GAZA CITY, Gaza, Oct 19, 2001 (United Press International via COMTEX) -- Israeli troops on Saturday entered the West Bank town of Tulkarem An Qalqilya, which had been under control of the Palestinian Authority. Israeli troops now occupy the towns of Jenin, Ramallah, Bethlehem, Beit Jala and Beit Sahour, and have seized additional positions once controlled by the PA.

Copyright 2001 by United Press International.


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To: Tom_Busch
Insane? It would appear to be a minority opinion even in Israel. And an odious opinion. I for one do not support uprooting entire populations based on ethnicity. That is not a country that "shares our values". After all, we refused such a solution for either Bosnia or Rwanda. And please remember that the IDF do more killing than the PLO.
201 posted on 10/21/2001 6:25:35 AM PDT by sobieski
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To: Tom_Busch
No, not true. Don’t be so quick to jump to conclusions, and don’t be quick to be insulted for no reason. I even showed a picture of some Jewish veteran’s graves, up in post 167. For more info on the Civil War, you might want to go here......

CIVIL WAR JEWS

202 posted on 10/21/2001 6:32:55 AM PDT by Fred25
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To: Skywalk
I am using Occam’s Razor. The simplest answer is the most correct answer. For example, there are not any Chinese-American producers or studio heads in Hollywood, so we have no China-holocaust movies about the 1950s and ‘60s in China. That is the simplest and the most correct answer.

But there were several Chinese-oriented films back in the ‘30s and ‘40s. I’ve heard that that was because of James Wong Howe’s influence. He was a top Hollywood cinematographer for many years.

I think the reason there's a dearth of anti-Communist films is that the strength of the Left's cultural poisoning. These leftists are sometimes Jews, but often are WASPs, blacks, etc.

I know exactly who they are. I’ve met many Communists in my lifetime. But you can’t say that some are “WASPs”. Don’t forget what the “P” stands for, and remember that Communists are atheists. The term “WASPs” is an anti-Gentile term, designed to insult White Anglo-Saxon Christian Protestants.

There were a large number of Communists in Hollywood in the past, especially in the 1930s, ‘40s, and ‘50s, and they just ignored the mass-murder problems of “Uncle Joe”. And you are right about them being of various races. Paul Robeson was one of the black Communists. But he was pretty angry because he could never play a lead role in Hollywood movies, except for all-black movies. But I have a collection of his British films, in which he played lead roles alongside white actors.

By the way, did you know that “Spartacus” was the Communist’s answer to all the Biblical films of the 1950s? Ever hear of Dalton Trumbo, the film’s screenwriter? Ever hear of Communist “Spartacus Leagues”? Did you notice that the cross Spartacus was crucified on in the film was not a traditional “Christian style” cross?

Also, there have been some anti-Communist films, but they've usually been more of the "independent" variety.

There were several anti-Communist films made in the early 1950s, but the Communists in them were portrayed more like “gangsters” than political ideologues. Hey, speaking of film, a few weeks ago I saw a fascinating little-known film made in England in the late ‘50s. The premise was, suppose the Nazis had invaded England, like they did France. It showed Nazi troops in London. It showed Nazi officers dating British girls and taking tourists snapshots at Big Ben. It showed “re-education” classes in eugenics (which, you might recall, the British originally invented, thanks to Darwin and his cousin, Francis Galton). The film was horrifying, but it showed what a lot of people in France had to go through during the war, just to stay alive and stay out of the prison camps.

But I’ll tell you something. I grew up in the South. Had the damn Nazis invaded Georgia, they never would have gotten into Alabama. We would have dug pits to trap their tanks, and we would have made a lot of anti-personnel bombs out of gasoline and gunpowder. Thank God we in America are allowed to own guns. Most Europeans aren’t allowed to. Had as many guns been in individual European hands as there are in the US, I don’t think Hitler would have been able to invade so many countries.

203 posted on 10/21/2001 6:46:30 AM PDT by Fred25
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To: woollyone
Oh, don’t be such a racist. Your anti-Gentile bias is showing.
204 posted on 10/21/2001 6:50:16 AM PDT by Fred25
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To: sobieski
I'm not sure that you know how to read. The first paragraph said that Zeevi wants to "tranfer" Arabs.

You have proven my point once again. You read in a manner such that allows you to mangle and distort meaning to suit your own pre-conceived notions. You remind me of the post-modernists in the academia who insist that there is no such thing as author's intent and the reader can feel free to interpret texts whichever way he wants. Here is what the article actually says.

Unlike Kahane's Kach, Ze'evi's Moledet wasn't banned by the Knesset. It stayed legal by advocating not expulsion, but rather "voluntary transfer"--by which he meant active government encouragement of Palestinian emigration. (Ze'evi was careful not to include Arab citizens of Israel in these travel plans.) Kahane's ultimate motive for transfer was to purify the Holy Land of its non-Jewish presence. Ze'evi, though, was more fatalist than fanatic: If two rival peoples couldn't coexist in the same land and if, as he passionately believed, a return to the 1967 borders would mean the end of Israel, the only solution was for the Palestinians to leave. "They have twenty-two states, and we have only one homeland," went the Moledet slogan. According to Ze'evi's left-wing friends, he didn't hate Arabs: He had better relations with some Arab Knesset members, noted Meretz parliamentarian Ran Cohen, than did many peaceniks.

205 posted on 10/21/2001 6:57:54 AM PDT by l33t
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To: The Documentary Lady
"They" must be beaming those made for TV movies directly to TV sets of known hate Israel firsters only. Gotta love those evil Zionist infiltrators among us.
207 posted on 10/21/2001 7:14:55 AM PDT by l33t
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To: l33t
Gosh, Man, read the first paragraph from TNR article. Remember, that this is a fanatically pro-Israel magazine, and yet they say that Kahane and Zeeve "both men advocated the abhorrent "transfer" of Palestinians to neighboring Arab countries..." It's their words, not mine. The "voluntary" idea is just a smokescreen to keep the movement legal. As I said, I'm not sure that you know how to read. Do you know what "abhorrent" or "transfer" mean?
209 posted on 10/21/2001 7:42:15 AM PDT by sobieski
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To: l33t
Think about it: If the two nations can't coexist, and one must be kicked out, how "voluntary" would the Late Minister actually allow it to be. "Voluntary" means by own choice. If it's life or death, the Late General would not allow the "lice" to grow like "cancer", now would he?
210 posted on 10/21/2001 7:44:40 AM PDT by sobieski
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To: The Documentary Lady
No, it says a lot about your own mindset which sees Israeli(Jewish?) tentacles attempting to manipulate through US media (which they no doubt control) "patriots" like you for their own nefarious anti-American unpatriotic purposes.
211 posted on 10/21/2001 7:49:01 AM PDT by l33t
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To: Robert-J; Fred25

You're an anti-semitic pig.

I know you were answering Fred25 -- but -- he doesn't know the definition of ANTI-SEMITIC. However, I suspect he does and is an anti-semite precisely for that reason, and thereby denying the definition.

I gave the definition right out of Websters --

The link for Merriam-Webster is right here for you to check.


     Main Entry:  an·ti-Sem·i·tism 
       Function:  noun
           Date:  1882
               :  hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group

     - an·ti-Se·mit·ic  -  adjective
       - an·ti-Sem·ite  -  noun 

And basically his answer is that I've been watching too many Hollywood movies. To others he says that they should get out more and around the country and see that this is not the definition. And then to yet others, he says he is the one who sets the definition for ANTI-SEMITE -- or at least the "correct definition".

So, you see -- these are the type of people that continually lie and lie and lie about Israel and work on behalf of the Devil, who is the father of lies and who wants to destroy Israel and all the Jews. These are the type of people who will go into the lake of fire with their father the Devil.

The Devil opposes God and Israel. They know which side they are on and it is not for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. This is exactly like the Islamics, except these people are in our country pretending to be for this country -- when their actions (if the country went this way) would bring the wrath of God upon it for opposing Him.


  Psalm 2 
      
      
   1 Why do the nations rage, And the people plot a 
     vain thing? 
      
   2 The kings of the earth set themselves, And the 
     rulers take counsel together, Against the Lord and 
     against His Anointed, saying, 
      
   3 "Let us break Their bonds in pieces And cast away 
     Their cords from us." 
      
   4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; The Lord 
     shall hold them in derision. 
      
   5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, And 
     distress them in His deep displeasure: 
      
   6 "Yet I have set My King On My holy hill of Zion."  
      
   7 "I will declare the decree: The Lord has said to 
     Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You. 
      
   8 Ask of Me, and I will give You The nations for 
     Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth for Your 
     possession. 
      
   9 You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall 
     dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel.' "  
      
  10 Now therefore, be wise, O kings; Be instructed, 
     you judges of the earth. 
      
  11 Serve the Lord with fear, And rejoice with 
     trembling. 
      
  12 Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, And you perish in 
     the way, When His wrath is kindled but a little. 
     Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him. 

 

They will find the just results of their opposition to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob...


  Revelation 20:11-15 
      
  11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat 
     on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled 
     away. And there was found no place for them. 
      
  12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing 
     before God, and books were opened. And another book 
     was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead 
     were judged according to their works, by the things 
     which were written in the books. 
      
  13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and 
     Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in 
     them. And they were judged, each one according to 
     his works. 
      
  14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of 
     fire. This is the second death. 
      
  15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life 
     was cast into the lake of fire. 

And as it says, "anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire." That means if you have not accepted Christ as your Savior, you will be cast off and thrown into that lake of fire, eternally -- to be separated from God and all that is good -- by your own choice that you have made.

That goes for those who seek to destroy Israel, because they cannot seek to destroy Israel and -- at the same time -- think that they will accept the Messiah, when He returns to earth to set up His Kingdom in Israel.

This is what they will hear from Him, if they fool themselves now.

For those who think they are Christians and think that they will persecute the Jews and try to destroy the nation of Israel, while pretending to do Christian things, Jesus will say to them....


  Matthew 7:21-23 
      
  21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall 
     enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the 
     will of My Father in heaven. 
      
  22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, 
     have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons 
     in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' 
      
  23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew 
     you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' 

And again, Jesus says to those who think they will work against God's will and Jesus setting up the Kingdom in Israel, hear Him...


  Luke 13:23-28 
      
  23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who 
     are saved?" And He said to them, 
      
  24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for 
     many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not 
     be able. 
      
  25 When once the Master of the house has risen up 
     and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside 
     and knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open for 
     us,' and He will answer and say to you, 'I do not 
     know you, where you are from,' 
      
  26 then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in 
     Your presence, and You taught in our streets.' 
      
  27 But He will say, 'I tell you I do not know you, 
     where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers 
     of iniquity.' 
      
  28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when 
     you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the 
     prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves 
     thrust out.

For those who are left on earth at the time of His coming to set up His Kingdom in Israel, to those who think they will persecute "His brehtren" (who are the Jews, as He is a Jew), hear what Jesus says to them...

  Matthew 25:31-46 
      
  31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all 
     the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the 
     throne of His glory. 
      
  32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and 
     He will separate them one from another, as a 
     shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 
      
  33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but 
     the goats on the left. 
      
  34 Then the King will say to those on His right 
     hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the 
     kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the 
     world: 
      
  35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was 
     thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and 
     you took Me in; 
      
  36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and 
     you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.' 
      
  37 Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 
     'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or 
     thirsty and give You drink? 
      
  38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, 
     or naked and clothe You? 
      
  39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and 
     come to You?' 
      
  40 And the King will answer and say to them, 
     'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to 
     one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to 
     Me.' 
      
  41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 
     'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting 
     fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 
      
  42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was 
     thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 
      
  43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, 
     naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison 
     and you did not visit Me.' 
      
  44 Then they also will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, 
     when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger 
     or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister 
     to You?' 
      
  45 Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly, I 
     say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of 
     the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' 
      
  46 And these will go away into everlasting 
     punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." 

Any, such as Fred25, who oppose God and His Son, or His chosen nation, wherein He will set up His Kingdom on earth -- listen to what God says...


  Hebrews 10:28-31 
      
  28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without 
     mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 
      
  29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, 
     will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son 
     of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant 
     by which he was sanctified a common thing, and 
     insulted the Spirit of grace? 
      
  30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I 
     will repay," says the Lord. And again, "The Lord 
     will judge His people." 
      
  31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of 
     the living God.

Their fate will be with the Devil and his cohorts, in the lake of fire.

213 posted on 10/21/2001 8:00:54 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: sobieski
Look you said that the US should have nothing do with the Israeli government because one of its members is a racist who wants to expel its own citizens on the basis of ethnicity.

What I pointed out that the minister in question: 1) is not a racist; 2) referred as lice to those Arabs who are residing in Israel illegaly and participating in terrorist activities; 3)Does not want to expel Arab citizens of Israel; 3) Advocates a voluntary transfer of Arabs living in the West Bank under the control of the Palestinian Authority under the precedents set after WWII when millions of Germans were transfered from Sudetenland and Poland to Germany, as well as the population exchanges in India, Pakistan and etc.

This does not mean that I support this guy's views and I do not. But the guy is not a nazi or a racist, therefore your argument that US should not be dealing with the Israeli government falls apart.

214 posted on 10/21/2001 8:03:43 AM PDT by l33t
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To: The Documentary Lady
being patriotic to your own country

I don't perceive you as a patriot, but rather a spokeswoman for some moderate Moslem ally of my country.

216 posted on 10/21/2001 8:12:08 AM PDT by a_witness
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To: calhoun_the_lawyer
So I take it you are an atheist, and not just another American-hating Islamic Terrorist supporter?
217 posted on 10/21/2001 8:14:59 AM PDT by a_witness
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To: l33t
When did you point out that he's not a racist? He wants to kick people out of the country they've lived in for thousands of years based on ethnicity; that's the very definition of racism. The article you pointed me to said that "the only solution would be for the Arabs to leave". Doesn't sound too "volunatry" to me. He himself did call them "lice", dehumanizing the Palestinians like was done in Germany to the Jews post-1933. I don't care what happened in 1938 or 1948; we've moved beyond that. It's wrong to transfer the Arabs for peace, just like it's wrong to transfer the Jews for peace.
219 posted on 10/21/2001 8:17:09 AM PDT by sobieski
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