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Four more students suspended for wearing Confederate flags
al.com ^ | 10/18/01 | ap

Posted on 10/18/2001 4:37:00 AM PDT by shuckmaster

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To: SocialMeltdown
Perhaps it's time to start a School of the Confederacy.

Perhaps it is time for the good people of the south to realize that they lost the Civil War and move on with their lives. Everyone else in the world such as the Nazis and Imperial Japanese that has been on the losing end of a war manages to move on and accept the dictates of the victor.

141 posted on 10/29/2001 9:56:10 AM PST by Dr. Pepper
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You oughtta be on the supreme court if you can draw that conclusion out of the 10th.

Actually the Supreme Court has. Texas v. White 1869. In it Chief Justice Chase, writing for the majority, said,

"The Union of the States never was a purely artificial and arbitrary relation. it began among the Colonies, and grew out of common origin, mutual sympathies, kindred principles, similar interests, and geographical relations. It was confirmed and strengthened by the necessities of war, and received definite form, and character, and sanction from the Articles of Confederation. By these the Union was solemnly declared to "be perpetual." And when these Articles were found to be inadequate to the exigencies of the country, the Constitution was ordained "to form a more perfect Union." It is difficult to convey the idea of indissoluble unity more clearly than by these words. What can be indissoluble if a perpetual Union, made more perfect, is not?

But the perpetuity and indissolubility of the Union, by no means implies the loss of distinct and individual existence, or of the right of self-government by the States. Under the Articles of Confederation each State retained its sovereignty, freedom, and independence, and every power, jurisdiction, and right not expressly delegated to the United States. Under the Constitution, though the powers of the States were much restricted, still, all powers not delegated to the United States, nor prohibited to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. And we have already had occasion to remark at this term, that "the people of each State compose a State, having its own government, and endowed with all the functions essential to separate and independent existence," and that "without the States in union, there could be no such political body as the United States." Not only, therefore, can there be no loss of separate and independent autonomy to the States, through their union under the Constitution, but it may be not unreasonably said that the preservation of the States, and the maintenance of their governments, are as much within the design and care of the Constitution as the preservation of the Union and the maintenance of the National government. The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States....

Considered therefore as transactions under the Constitution, the ordinance of secession, adopted by the convention and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the acts of her legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law. The obligations of the State, as a member of the Union, and of every citizen of the State, as a citizen of the United States, remained perfect and unimpaired. It certainly follows that the State did not cease to be a State, nor her citizens to be citizens of the Union. "

142 posted on 10/29/2001 10:01:28 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: WhiskeyPapa
They have the "right", not the obligation.
143 posted on 11/01/2001 12:24:10 PM PST by KentuckyWoman
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They have the "right", not the obligation.

If you like.

That would be entirely in keeping with Madison's position that the government could be thrown down for intolerable abuse. But even -that- would be outside the law. All the acts, ordinances, etc. of secession from the various so-called seceded states were entirely null and void in law.

Walt

144 posted on 11/01/2001 12:37:50 PM PST by WhiskeyPapa
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