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[Invincibly Ignorant]

Let's see if we can loosen up the stiffnecks, shall we?

This will loosen us all up. I finally agree with something the pope said. Check the Drudge headline.

[Isaiah_66_2]

By covering up(as policy, noted by honest Romanist and admitted by Bishop Wilton D. Gregory reently in USA TODAY) evil perversions, crimes, and atrocities the hierarchy of the papist church has long provided an environment for the continued practice of the same.

Keep on thinking that the RCC hasn't. Keep on thinking that sweeping under the rug, evil perversions, crimes and heinous atrocities is healthy, and discover the Judgment of God requires justice no matter what you or Rome says.

[al_c]

Pope says abortion could lead to downfall of democracies

I think all of us here would agree.

[IMRight]

No coffee this morning Steve? You seem a little on edge. Maybe Mack would give you a back rub and "grease you up"?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Hey does anybody know what kind of adapter I need to import television sound into a cakewalk program on my computer?

[B-Chan]

Havoc is amazed that the RCC can't say that instead of issuing three paragraphs of stuff that does not commit to that position - which is the same as that of scripture
(ie Homosexuality is a sin.) Havoc is amazed that the RCC can't commit to calling a sin for what it is 100% and without reservation.

Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
 

Source:  The Catechism of the Catholic Church, Part 3, Section 2, Chapter 2, Article 6

Seems unambiguous to me. I expect a retraction and apology.

[SoothingDave]

BTW dave, it is not an attack to expose the Truth of papist perversions and atrocities, although I realize that you like to think they are attacks, motivated by a blindness to the evils committed, and a sense of "political correctness"---the Truth is always "felt" like an attack by the guilty. It's not healthy to have such an unbalanced view of things whereby you ignore and sweep under the rug(just like the EX papist said in her letter) the evil committed by the papist church. I certainly didn't try to sweep the evils committed by the likes of Jimmy Swaggart or Jim Baker under the rug----myself and responsible Christians spoke out against their evils and called for repentance, as we do with others---why don't you do the same with evils within Romanism?

You don't know me very well. I am not defending these men or these bishops who engaged in these practices and covered it up.

So I don't know why you go on pontificating as if I were defending these actions. Kind of takes the wind out of your sails, don't it?

What your main problem is is that you are taking these events and trying to say something about the Church and how She has acted throughout history. This just isn't possible to do if one wants to be taken seriously. I don't take the actions of the last 40 years to judge America's character, why would you do that for the Church?

I did find this amusing:

Rome was and is the ultimate authority, and the bishops--such as Cardinal Bernard Law in Boston--follow with blind obedience.

LOL. Ha Ha Ha. We all know how the American bishops just follow in lockstep with everything Rome says. The writer of this thought, and apparently you for aproving of it, reveals a total lack of understanding of the political turmoil going on inside the Church since at least the post-conciliar period.

Dave, don't you know that the Physician cannot heal that which doesn't know it's sick? Don't you know, that the righteous, have no need of the Savior? Keep trying to sweep those evils under the rug and having an unhealthy, unbalanced view of the evils and atrocities of the papist church, and yule find that you are only fooling yourself.

Merry Christmas to you as well. God bless.

SD

[Invincibly Ignorant]

No coffee this morning Steve?

No coffe for a month. That doesn't affect my discernment at all. Thanx for asking.

[IMRight]

Seems unambiguous to me. I expect a retraction and apology.

Actually, that's the very paragraph he had the problem with. It seems to leave too much wiggle room.

[Isaiah_66_2]

it's the level of stupidity at which one accepts two unequal propositions as being equal and then lauds them as beins such.

That's what you get in "escape hatch theology"---there are rationalizations for everything.

At first they can say that "red" is "red", then turn around and say "red" is "black", and believe both statements are true. Everything is in the "grey area" as Satan likes it.

Having said that, the RCs aren't the only ones suffering from the kind of cognitive disconnect that relativism produces---many mainline Protestants and Pentecostal Charismaniacs suffer the same affliction. I'd go so far as to say that most of American Christendom suffers from the affliction of relativistic cognitive disconnect.

[SoothingDave]

By covering up(as policy, noted by honest Romanist and admitted by Bishop Wilton D. Gregory reently in USA TODAY) evil perversions, crimes, and atrocities the hierarchy of the papist church has long provided an environment for the continued practice of the same.

Define "long." We have evidence of this as a recent event, relatively speaking. The burden of proving "1500 years" of it rests upon you.

Keep on thinking that the RCC hasn't. Keep on thinking that sweeping under the rug, evil perversions, crimes and heinous atrocities is healthy, and discover the Judgment of God requires justice no matter what you or Rome says.

Earth to Isaiah_66_2! Come in, Isaiah_66_2! I am not defending covering up anything. Are we coming through in stereo?

No Catholic that I know of is defending these practices. I want Law to step down or get removed. I want a whole lot of bishops to get removed. I want seminaries and chanceries purged of the evil influences of the progressive vandals who have tried real hard to destroy the Church form within.

Is any of this coming through? You're talking to the wrong man.

SD

[Havoc]

Whew! For a second there Hav I thought you didn't understand me. :-)

LOL. I'm used to you at this point ;) I'm just not used to someone telling me that someone with a spirit of homosexuality is alright so long as they are celibate or try to be virtuous. Just waiting for the Cathbonics version of the language because evidently they have their own set of definitions for these words too. If nothing else, after a year we may have a complete cathbonics dictionary of terms for people to use in cutting through catholic philosophy.

[SoothingDave]

Seems unambiguous to me. I expect a retraction and apology.

Havoc thinks that calling homosexuals to lead a chaste life just means that they don't have sex. He thinks the Church approves of people living a homosexual lifestyle and entertaining thoughts of homosexual sin and promoting homosexuality as long as they don't actually engage in the acts.

He doesn't have the first clue about what chastity means, and he waves his ignorance around like a gold medal.

SD

[SoothingDave]

That's what you get in "escape hatch theology"---there are rationalizations for everything. At first they can say that "red" is "red", then turn around and say "red" is "black", and believe both statements are true. Everything is in the "grey area" as Satan likes it.

What parts of "chastity" and "intrinsically evil" don't you uderstand?

SD

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Hey does anybody know what kind of adapter I need to import television sound into a cakewalk program on my computer?

Then after you get this installed all you will need to do is install a toliet in place of your chair and then you will be set. :)

BigMack

[SoothingDave]

I'm just not used to someone telling me that someone with a spirit of homosexuality is alright so long as they are celibate or try to be virtuous. Just waiting for the Cathbonics version of the language because evidently they have their own set of definitions for these words too.

I invited you to define "chastity" and to explain how something that is "intrinsically evil" is not a sin. You have not.

SD

[Isaiah_66_2]

What your main problem is is that you are taking thse events and trying to say something about the church and how she has acted throughout history.

Oh no, dave, the events speak for themselves, about how the papist church has acted consistently throughout history.
Now, you can continue to deny the consistent pattern of actions throughout history by the papist church, but the history stands for itself.

[RobbyS]

Pretty much.

[SoothingDave]

Oh no, dave, the events speak for themselves, about how the papist church has acted consistently throughout history. Now, you can continue to deny the consistent pattern of actions throughout history by the papist church, but the history stands for itself.

What events? What history? You are all over the place. You try to take events happening in the 20th Century and make a seeeping statement about the actions of the Church for Millennia. This is not rational.

Please provide some evidence of your theory, or desist.

SD

[Isaiah_66_2]

What part of pedophile papist priests are perverts and perpetrators of heinous crimes, aided and abetted by a papist hierachy who sweep their crimes under the rug and move them to new areas with fresh new victims to prey on, don't you understand?