Posted on 10/11/2001 8:44:26 PM PDT by sola gracia
Have we not heard this very statement on FR recently?
I dont think the real God is pleased right now eithor..
Yes you are right it has been said that fundamental Chrisitanity is the flip side of the fundamental Islam that terrorized this Nation
On one hand we have the faith desendants of the men that built this Nation compared to the desendants of a mad man... people are set on destroying what the followers of Christ have built.
The comparison is being made by men that do not know God.
I think you could make a case that all this mindless flag-waving
is a strong sign of the kind of nihilism Nietzsche talked about.
Will you please tell me which of the Founding Fathers was a fundamentalist of Falwell's ilk? I seem to recall that most of them were deists (Jefferson and Paine) or regular Episcopalian types (Washington) or Unitarians (the Adams brothers.)
-ccm
People use pejoratives about fundamentalists because they're scared of them. I've grown up with lots of gung-ho Southern Baptists, so I know they're harmless, but not everyone knows that. The reason fundamentalists are scary? I've seen a lot of it on FR-- one person makes an argument that relies on history (facts) and analysis (reason) and oftentimes a fundamentalist will respond with quote after quote from the bible, tied together in ways that only another of his own belief system can figure out. It's like we're speaking English and you'all are speaking in tongues.
Like I said, I, personally, know that you guys are nice, harmless, and good people, but not everyone knows that-- many find your behavior baffling, and therefore, scary.
I've seen a lot of it on FR-- one person makes an argument that relies on history (facts) and analysis (reason) and oftentimes a fundamentalist will respond with quote after quote from the bible, tied together in ways that only another of his own belief system can figure out. It's like we're speaking English and you'all are speaking in tongues.Actually, even within a particular strain of theology, we can get our wires crossed. Mostly, it's because we aren't professional writers. We all think our writing is perfectly clear but others may read a particular post and come to a very different conclusion.
Like I said, I, personally, know that you guys are nice, harmless, and good people, but not everyone knows that-- many find your behavior baffling, and therefore, scary.Actually, sincere Christians do tend to scare the unchurched and those of extremely shallow religiousity. It's generally expected. They tend to feel faint when they realize that people actually believe the Bible is the Word of God and live accordingly. That is a very frightening thing to most non-Christians and to those who think the Bible is some sort of Hallmark card from God.
"....And yet, in the well-intentioned "interfaith prayer services," a more disturbing note was sounded. Christians, Muslims, Sikhs, and Hindus were all worshipping together, praying, it was said, "to the same God."
This has bothered me quiet a bit, but then again we didn't get to this point over night, this is something that has creep up on the U.S. over many decades. I imagine unless God intervenes in a very major way it would take us decades to get this nation back on course. On the other hand this worshipping seems to be on a nation government level. If the American Christian Culture, which seems to like the Jerry Falwell types more then it would want to admit, ever got it act to together it probably would change this situation. I pray that this is what will happen before I die and doesn't ever get worse. Even though this bothers me I try to keep a perspective that for every non Christian Religion that has a building out there that has its members praying there is thousands of Christian Churches which are also praying, but would never think of putting an amen to the end of the non-Christian prays and they would rather die instead, so I guess when you look at it in that perspective maybe there hope on the nation government level.
The Bible strictly forbids syncretistic worship, the mingling of biblical and pagan religions, a violation of the First Commandment.
Praying together is not necessarily an act of syncretism.
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I'm not as pessimistic as the author. I believe that this chastisement has awakened America's sleeping moral sensibility. But I agree that we have a lot of reforming to do, especially regarding the abortion holocaust.
Nietzsche is dead.
-God
There is no comparison between the ranting of visions by a mad man and the thoughtful work of the founding fathers..you are the one raising Flawell (who thanks to our founding fathers) can say what he pleases without fear of being stoned to death!
Oh ye it is..They worship false gods..
2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
You have to keep in mind that secular liberal-socialists are not exactly the most educated, cultivated, and civilized people on the planet. And frequently you will find that they don't exactly know very much about what they are talking about. To not understand the VAST difference between Western Christianity and Middle Eastern Islam is a classic case. They're pretty stupid actually when you get right down to it. There are, unfortunately, enough loony dysfunctional examples of pathological religiosity which lend some apparent credence to the anti-Christian agenda. Suffice it to say, people need to do their homework on this topic. Reality involves many different trajectories of analysis and interpretation for its structural, psychological, and philosophical complexity than are supplied by scriptural texts alone. Self-professing "Christians" would do well to take notice of this and not set up the straw-man targets for their aggressive and maniacly hostile opponents. The intellectual analysis of the current international situation, for instance, requires a great deal more than citing Bible passages.
The God of the Jews, the God of Islam, the God of the Philosophers and the God of Brahman Hindus, is the same as our God. Our paths diverge after that.
Granted, the Trinity has not been revealed to these other people, but we don't have a complete understanding of God's essence either.
We can agree that the God of the Jews is the God of Christian believers. But allah is a false god..as is brahman....to say we have different "paths" is foolish new-age gibberish
Deuteronomy 5 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
They are going to hell!
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