Posted on 10/09/2001 8:21:36 PM PDT by Diago
The difference is that Catholics are not up in arms about the presence of Baptists. There are no Catholic websites dedicated to proving that Baptists are evil, or trying to control the world. I've never met a Catholic who said: "I really hate those Baptists, they aren't REAL Christians". I don't know what your personal hangup is with RC, but it smells like spiritual juvenilism. If ye love Christ, focus on that most important thing, for then you shouldn't have time left over to hate those who love Christ under a different roof.
Anti-Catholic clap-trap. And yes, I have burned my copy of it. But now I can understand why you feel the way you do.
It must be so nice to live in your cozy secluded little world. It hasn't been that many years ago (even after Vatican II) that Roman Catholic priests in Mexico and Central America were persuading their parishoners to persecute Baptist missionaries.
After a few centuries of persecution, we Baptists have learned to be leery of anything related to Rome. We recognize that it would only require a small change in RC policy to return to the "good old days".
Note: I normally stay far away from these Protestant vs. Catholic threads. However, AquinasFan's earlier comments were too much for this Baptist to ignore. They really were that bad.
UMMMMMM point well taken
Unless you link your complaint to specific statements I will never have a clue what you are talking about. And I would say that the Trinity is fairly clearly revealed in the Word for those who are mean to see it.
Perhaps you would also be kind enough to provide the definition that you are using...
You are inferring then that Mary was raped by God, because the Gospel according to the Bard says that she had no choice in the matter.
The words you left out are the most important.
Be it done unto to me according to Thy Word.
At that very point Mary became the co-Creator of the Son.
I'd be a little concerned if I were you to be talking about Somebody's mother that way.
I believe it is safe to say that Paul is actually the man that God used mightly to "write" the doctrine and build His church.
No disrespect to Peter...but it was Paul that carried the message ..IMHO
Didn't Peter pretty much stay with with witnessing to Jews, while Paul went to the Gentiles? I agree with you, Peter certainly had his place, but it was Paul who carried the message.
The Word of God, established by God from before the foundation of the World:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made. In Him was life, and that life was the Light of men. And the Light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not.What possible "authority" do you think that the Council of 393 A.D. gave to the Word which preceeded forth from the mouth of God?
I think the question is WHO was wearing that armour and wielding that sword when the canon was established.
Why God, silly! He still wields the sword:
And I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; and in the midst of the seven candlesticks One like unto the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the breast with a golden girdle. His head and His hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes were as a flame of fire; and His feet like unto fine brass, as though they burned in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters. And He had in His right hand seven stars, and out of His mouth went a sharp twoedged sword, and His countenance shone as the sun shineth in his strength.But this does nothing to change the fact that I [Woody] have all authority necessary to wear the full Armor of God:And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. And He laid His right hand upon me, saying unto me, "Fear not; I am the First and the Last. I am He that liveth, and was dead; and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen, and have the keys of hell and of death.
Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.In fact, as a saint, I have this honor:
For the LORD taketh pleasure in His people; He will beautify the meek with salvation. Let the saints be joyful in glory; let them sing aloud upon their beds. Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a two-edged sword in their hand ...Notice, that the sword is in the mouth of God, but the hand of the saint.this honor have all His saints. Praise ye the LORD!
Tom do you share the belief that you have some mystic connection to Islam based on the fact that you both venerate Mary?
For the most part this has been a spirited discussion. That is very much in the protestant tradition..
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
could you give an example?
I share the belief that I have a mystic connection to ALL people.
[Gen 1:27] God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.
Catholics consider Our Lady of Guadelupe to be the patroness of the unborn. Her feast day is the very day the the Supreme Court came issued its decision which gave Bush, a right to life advocate, the Presidency and Gore, a supporter of baby-killers, lost the election.
A coincidence?
Also, that Nahuatl word, of which Guadelupe is a corruption means "who crushes the serpent's head", not "who crushes the stone serpent's head".
For the most part its been Catholic Bashing. And that is very much in the Protestant Tradition.
I would be more worried talking about the Lord of Lords as you just have! You words are intended to be outragous and are an offense to God!
Mary was acknowledging something you seem not to understand,the Sovereignity of God.God had selected her.He didnt ask for her "permission" ,the word is submission..she submitted to the will and plan of God. She was overcome by His grace,"no" was never an option for her..any more than it is for any man or woman that has been drawn by the grace of God.
He knew what her answer would be.
As for Mary being the "co creator"...go ask Jesus what that means
Matthew 12
47 Someone said to Him, ""Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You.''
48 But Jesus answered the one who was telling Him and said, ""Who is My mother and who are My brothers?''
49 And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, ""Behold My mother and My brothers!
Those who hear and obey are His mother and brothers and sisters..
I didn't leave anything out. It was you who originally stated What part of Luke 1:26 - 35 didn't we understand, so I posted them. Since your arguement for those verses didn't hold water, you now want to say I left out the next verses. Well, lets see:
Luke
1:36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.
1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.
1:38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
1:39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;
1:40 And entered into the house of Zacharias, and saluted Elisabeth.
1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
1:42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
1:45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
1:46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
1:47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
1:50 And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation.
Since the original train of thought dealt with Mary being ASKED by the Angel (or God), I still don't see it in the following verses. Exactly where does this occur?
Still looks to me like the Angel informed Mary what was going to happen...
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