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Can't use Pledge of Allegiance to comply with law (Pledge Banned in Madison, WI Schools)
Wisconsin State Journal ^ | 10/8/01 | Doug Erickson Education reporter

Posted on 10/09/2001 7:02:25 AM PDT by Jean S

Can't use Pledge of Allegiance to comply with law, schools told

The Madison School Board barred schools on Monday from using the Pledge of Allegiance as a way to comply with a new state law that requires a daily patriotism dose.

Instead, schools can use only the national anthem - and then only instrumental versions of it. No words.

The 3-2 board vote came after several parents and teachers complained that the pledge, which contains the line "one nation, under God," is a religious oath that doesn't belong in public schools. Others criticized the pledge for promoting nationalism and militarism.

Board President Calvin Williams, who voted with the majority, said the board's action is the "least intrusive and least offensive" way to comply with the law.

"We've chosen a reasonable compromise that preserves freedom of expression on both ends of the spectrum and doesn't trample on anyone's rights," he said.

The law, which took effect Sept. 1, requires schools to offer the pledge or anthem daily in grades 1 to 12. Madison implemented the law last week, with Superintendent Art Rainwater leaving it up to each school to decide whether the pledge or anthem would be offered and in what format.

The heaviest criticism has been aimed at those elementary schools where the pledge is being read over the public address system. Although the law says students cannot be forced to participate, critics said children have little choice but to listen to it when it's broadcast throughout the school.

"What we're doing here is opening up a very slippery slope," said Sally Franz, an educational assistant at Cherokee Middle School and one of six people who criticized the law Monday. "Indoctrination leads to totalitarianism, and we're approaching that moment."

Board member Bill Keys' motion instructs schools to broadcast an instrumental version of the anthem at a time deemed appropriate by administrators. This option will allow dissenting students to opt out less conspicuously, reducing the chances for harassment, he said.

Williams and Carol Carstensen agreed with Keys. Carstensen said the motion in no way prohibits the teaching of the pledge for educational reasons or the singing of the anthem in music class. And students can say the pledge on their own during the school day, she said.

Ruth Robarts and Shwaw Vang opposed the motion, with both saying it doesn't go far enough to protect the rights of dissenters. "It's a step in the right direction, but it doesn't remove the coerciveness of the classroom situation," Robarts said. She wanted the anthem to be offered before or after classes.

Ray Allen and Juan Jose Lopez were absent. Reached later, Lopez said he opposes the motion.

"I would not have voted to ban the Pledge of Allegiance," he said. "We live in the United States of America, and people should be given the choice."


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To: JeanS
The 3-2 board vote came after several parents and teachers complained that the pledge, which contains the line "one nation, under God," is a religious oath that doesn't belong in public schools. Others criticized the pledge for promoting nationalism and militarism.

Boy, Red Skelton was a very prescient individual.

How many is "several"? Why is the apple cart always upset for a few individuals?

141 posted on 10/09/2001 2:22:34 PM PDT by hattend
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To: UB355
My first lettet: Your decision to ban the pledge and the national anthem is disgusting! How dare this board teach our children to be un-American. I am appalled at this decision and will contact our Governor. As our President said, you are either with us or you are a terrorist. I know which side this board is on. Please find a better country to live and move there. Outraged in Wisconsin! My name and address.
142 posted on 10/09/2001 2:25:39 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: UB355
My first letter: (to the board)

Your decision to ban the pledge and the national anthem is disgusting! How dare this board teach our children to be un-American. I am appalled at this decision and will contact our Governor. As our President said, you are either with us or you are a terrorist. I know which side this board is on. Please find a better country to live and move there. Outraged in Wisconsin! My name and address.

143 posted on 10/09/2001 2:27:11 PM PDT by WIMom
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To: JeanS
As a graduate of Brookfield East High in Brookfield Wisconsin I felt it was my duty to send a freep mail to the board. (which I just did) BTTT
144 posted on 10/09/2001 2:27:42 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: JeanS
OUTRAGEOUS!
145 posted on 10/09/2001 2:31:14 PM PDT by azemt
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To: jgrubbs
Seven members on the board only 5 voted...I wonder who abstained or voted present and why.
146 posted on 10/09/2001 2:34:58 PM PDT by hattend
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To: PatrioticAmerican
It was written by a socialism promoter for the purpose of making the natural patroitic feelings of Americans more malleable to socialistic ideals by subsuming the real ideals of our Founders under a simple icon. He was hugely successful, even with the later editing by others. You own strong feelings in this matter are a testimony to his propaganda's effectiveness.
148 posted on 10/09/2001 2:38:44 PM PDT by bvw
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To: ALL
Where do you think these teachers come from? The University of Wisconsin, Madison has been a hotbed of Communist professors since WW2.
149 posted on 10/09/2001 2:39:36 PM PDT by 1 FELLOW FREEPER
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To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
So, here you are again. Kiss this........(!)
150 posted on 10/09/2001 2:41:00 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Jay W
Jay,

The Pledge was written by a socialist zealot. That's just a fact.

As to the inability of a Republic to be socialist, go look up what the R in USSR stood for. Your own desire to hold the definition of Republic to a sacrosant meaning, unfortunately does not refect the reality.

And there are religious, christian socialists -- in fact, Bellamy, the author was one.

Please, open your mind and see the truth. We desperately need patriots who understand the founding princibles and not some mockery of them.

151 posted on 10/09/2001 2:45:24 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Congressman Billybob
Have you forgotten about the asset forfeiture laws? Congress has decided that they may pass laws which circumvent the due process requirements and the Supremes, in their supreme arrogance, have upheld those laws.
152 posted on 10/09/2001 2:47:02 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Everbody in WI knows Madison is fruit-cake wacko-ville city.
153 posted on 10/09/2001 2:50:47 PM PDT by pankot
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To: JeanS
Methinks we should be enforcing the sedition laws.

5.56mm

154 posted on 10/09/2001 2:51:30 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: driftless
Our great nation needs more than just uninformed good feelings that some describe as love, we need you and your children to be well informed as to our founding princibles. Better that we have the pupils recite the Preamble to the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights, or the first few paragraphs of the Declaration than this simplistic socialist re-write and re-direction of them.
155 posted on 10/09/2001 2:51:30 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
So.....The pledge is propaganda! What a hoot! You so called Quasi-intellectuals really give me gas.
156 posted on 10/09/2001 2:51:46 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: wirestripper
My response to you is at 123.
157 posted on 10/09/2001 2:55:25 PM PDT by bvw
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To: LurkedLongEnough
I grew up south of Madison, went to liberal UW in the 80's and as beautiful as the city is, the socialist and anti-american sentiment like what the school council has done now is one of the reasons I left the area.
158 posted on 10/09/2001 2:55:29 PM PDT by KillTime
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To: bvw
Go find an interesting job.
159 posted on 10/09/2001 2:56:28 PM PDT by WIMom
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