Christians Killed, Churches Burned

Crosswalk.com News Channel ^ | 10/5/01 | Crosswalk.com

[AmericanCheeseFood]

Revelations 13 .

Religion and some forms of government ?

Cheese .

[Quix]

Uhhhhhh, have you been in a cave the last year or so?

Perhaps you've heard of India and radical Hindus and their actions resulting in more than a few Christians dead and many more injured?

The same for a number of nations in Africa.

The same for a number of Asian nations.

In some African nations, it's been of genocide proportions. All quite verified.

Your generic common press has seen fit to minimize it, report it in small blurbs on back pages or not report it at all. You are in the process of seeing Christians become as Jews were in Nazi held areas in the WWII era. Every year the treatments get worse for larger numbers in yet more locales. . . . and the press is willfully blind.

So much so that a famous (name forgotten) Jew wrote a piece sometime in the last 4-10 years in which he castigated the Christian church and the media in general for being so silent on the problem.

I hardly consider it a feather in your cap for you to appear to be as ignorant and biased as the generic media on this issue. It certainly doesn't add weight to your contentions.

[Quix]

Are you saying something like more bigotry than brilliance?

[Orbiting_Rosie's_Head]

I think you should provide us with the precise number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin. Or how about the names, addresses, and the favorite color of each of the estimated 500,000 members of the Rawandan Tutsi tribe that were slaughtered by the Hutus a few years back. I don't believe it really happened. I mean, really, those people with their arms chopped off might have been tourists from South Chicago for all I know. And what about all of those human skeleton pictures of Jews from WWII? I think they were a convention of Ralph Lauren runway models that smoked too many clove cigarettes. I don't think Mr. Hitler killed any Jews at all. He was really a nice man who was misunderstood and we'll never really know cause he blew his brains out before he could write Mein Kampf II: The Golden Years.....

[Is2C]

There is another website called "Voice of the Martyrs" at http://www.voiceofthemartyrs.com/ or http://persecution.com/ (both go to the same site). Their articles are very specific regarding dates, names, locations, etc. Some include photos such as the one below regarding this story:

Radical Muslims attack Christians in Indonesia

September 21, 2001

Churches like this one in Pasuruan, Indonesia are targeted for attack by radical Muslims

Just two days prior to Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri’s Oval Office visit with President Bush, radical Muslims attacked Christian homes and churches in West Java.

According to VOM representatives, the attacks occurred at approximately 7:00 P.M. September 17th, 2001 at Klaksanaan village, Tasikmalaya subdistrict. 23 Christian houses were burned, and 58 Christian families are now homeless.

Two churches were burned in the attack: The Seventh Day Adventist Christian Church and Indonesia Pasundan Christian Church.

No one was killed or seriously injured in the rampage in Klaksanaan village, but fanatical Muslims in Indonesia reportedly have killed 10,000 Christians within the past two years.

“Violence against Christians in Indonesia has not subsided since the impeachment of former President Gus Dur Wahid this past summer,” said VOM spokesman Gary Lane. “ The incident this week in Klaksanan village proves that radical Muslims in Indonesia are motivated by more than just politics.”

VOM asks President Megawati to act decisively in assuring that the perpetrators of this attack and others against Indonesia’s Christian minority are brought to justice.

VOM continues to provide lifepacks and other relief to Christians left homeless at the hands of radical Muslims throughout Indonesia.

Pray for the Christian victims of this violence—that God would strengthen their faith in the midst of this persecution. Also, pray for Indonesian Muslims, that they may come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. Pray for forgiveness and reconciliation between Christians and Muslims. Pray that God’s peace will come to the Muluku Islands, to East and West Java—to all of Indonesia!

For more on persecution in Indonesia, sign up for VOM’s free monthly newsletter

here: FREE NEWSLETTER .

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Keywords: Java Churches burned Megawati Bush violence Muslims Christians West

If you go to www.persecution.com/news/ you can specify that you want to search on news relating to christians being persecuted in Pakistan. I didn't see anything related to this. Just FYI -

[Quix]

Am curious, lllbay,

How many members of your nuclear or extended family were or are rabidly intense, dogmatic, rigid, harsh, authoritarian etc. and claim to be Christians?

[Quix]

Am curious, lllbay,

How many members of your nuclear or extended family were or are rabidly intense, dogmatic, rigid, harsh, authoritarian etc. and claim to be Christians? Your sure rant like the above is true--maybe even several times over.

[Quix]

Am curious, lllbay,

How many members of your nuclear or extended family were or are rabidly intense, dogmatic, rigid, harsh, authoritarian etc. and claim to be Christians?

Your sure rant like the above is true--maybe even several times over.

[Sweet Hour of Prayer]

If Islam is a religion of peace then why are they doing this? How many things and American people has Osama destroyed? This has nothing to do with religion, it's pure hatred. Did they think we'd do nothing in retaliation for murdering 6,000 people?

[Quix]

OOOOPS,

DIDN'T REALIZE IT HAD GONE THRU. SORRY. FOR MULTIPLES.

[TKEman]

This article is probably right on the money. Once the real fighting begins, we can expect that Christians in Pakistan will soon feel the stick.

[AmericaUnited]

two Pakistani Christians will be killed for every Muslim

Four eyes for two eyes... Is that legal ?

[Is2C]

A search on the internet turned up this AP story:

Pakistani Christians Fear Attacks

Sept. 30, 2001 By MORT ROSENBLUM
AP Special Correspondent

Catholic mass in Pakistan AP/Jerome Delay [13K]

QUETTA, Pakistan (AP) — Jammed into their unmarked old chapel, the small but fervent congregation of Sacred Heart Catholic Church prayed Sunday for America to defeat terror without creating Christian martyrs.

Since Sept. 11, Pakistani Christians say, hostility taints what was always tolerance. Many say close Muslim friends now keep their distance. And if any fighting starts over the border, many fear the worst.

``Every day we hear threats from Muslims,'' said a high school teacher who pleaded to be identified only as Anwar. ``Sometimes, we don't sleep. We are terrified that if they attack Afghanistan, we may be killed.''

Sabir Yaqoob, 28, who teaches physics at a different high school, believes that President Bush unleashed fury with an early reference to a ``crusade,'' which the White House later said was not meant to imply a religious war against Islam. The White House said Bush used the term in the sense of a ``broad cause'' and meant no offense.

``He said it, and that's enough.'' Yaqoob said. ``It is what the fundamentalists heard. Crusade means a clash between Muslims and Christians, and that is what we are all afraid of.''

His friend, Moussa Sadiq, 35, a phone company employee, broke in.

``Our old friends who used to eat with us, sit together morning and evening, they tell us they will attack us if there is fighting,'' he said. ``They will be the first to kill us.''

Sacred Heart is one of two Catholic churches in Quetta. There is also an Anglican church. Officially, Christians number 4 million in Pakistan, 3 percent of the population. Church groups say the total may be 8 million.

Although a heavy majority of Christians are in Punjab and Sindh, farther from Afghanistan where feelings run cooler, the fear seems widespread.

Yaqoob said he was surprised, and worried, at the sudden rise in tension. As a physics teacher, he knows all about the laws of action and reaction.

``We have always gotten along in Pakistan,'' he said. ``When I got married, Muslim friends came here to this same church. But once this thing starts to spread, who knows how it goes?''

If nothing triggers a violent outbreak, Yaqoob added, the tension might pass.

``I think 75 percent of Pakistanis hate terrorism and are against Osama bin Laden,'' he said. ``Only 20 percent maybe are fundamentalists. It is always the negative which makes the most noise.''

But, he added, any confrontation would likely polarize the two religions, with extremists using the occasion to rally support among the poorly educated masses.

For now, there is nothing close to panic, and opinions vary as to potential danger.

Lal Masih, at 70, might have fallen out of a Rudyard Kipling novel, with enormous white mustaches billowing out from under thick round glasses and a colorful skullcap.

Asked if was worried, he smiled and pointed a forefinger heavenwards.

Harrison John is 13 but looks younger, the son of a church official. He grinned and declared himself unafraid.

But S.M. Shafiq and Faved Hadayet, lab technicians, shared a different view. They heard continual threats. Neither had encountered any problems. But, both said, things might change in an instant.

``If America bombs Afghanistan,'' Shafiq said, ``anything could happen.''

Sacred Heart is reached behind a wooden gate with no sign on Jinnah Road in the center of Quetta. About 100 people can fit inside the simple church with a game attempt at vaulted ceilings.

Mass follows classic lines but is decidedly Pakistani. Lively hymns are accompanied by an accordion and bongo drums.

The faithful who line up for communion look no different from their Muslim countrymen. Women in modest headscarves stay to one side. Men wear knee-length loose shirts, baggy pants and sandals.

Father Eric Lakman, a Sri Lankan who is the priest at Sacred Heart, dates Catholicism in the Indian subcontinent back to the 6th century. He says the religion flourished from the time of Saint Matthew.

Under the British Raj, which lasted until 1947, Anglican congregations also grew.

In recent years, Father Eric said, Muslims and Christians have gotten along well in Pakistan. Today, however, he sees something new.

``Oh, definitely,'' he said, when asked if he felt extremists might attack Christians. ``If they attack, we'll be among the first martyrs.'' With a nervous laugh, he added: ``But we will not run anywhere.''

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[Republic of Texas]

I only mentioned the 2 girls, prodigal daughter in post #22 mentioned more, let me add, Indonesia, Sudan, Syria, Iran and Irag. ALL terrorist Muslim and or Arab states that imprison, torture and kill Christians for simply being Christians. As for demonizing the enemy, they demonized themselves, they started this, and I hope our leaders have the guts to make them reap the whirlwind.

[Mark17]

Don't forget the Philippines.

I know people living there. It's true.

[Republic of Texas]

" Can you name one Islamic Cleric based in the middle east, or one Arab leader, who publically proclaims that OBL's interpretations of the Koran are wrong?

36 Posted on 10/09/2001 09:25:26 PDT by monkeyshine "

Oops. I bet that is one question Illbay chooses to ignore. The answer is loud and clear. NOT ONE!

cc: Illbay

[Walkin Man]

Just faithfull Muslims carrying out their duties as posted in the Koran, move along, nothing to see here.

Thats right. This is what happens when "peaceful, loving muslims" become the majority in a country.

[Republic of Texas]

" " Can you name one Islamic Cleric based in the middle east, or one Arab leader, who publically proclaims that OBL's interpretations of the Koran are wrong? 36 Posted on 10/09/2001 09:25:26 PDT by monkeyshine "

Oops. I bet that is one question Illbay chooses to ignore. The answer is loud and clear. NOT ONE!

cc: Illbay

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[AmericanCheeseFood]

Nothing to see here . Just people following the Koran .

Cheese.

[Republic of Texas]

BTW, I'm just curious. How many people do you think you've converted over to your way of thinking on FreeRepublic? Shouldn't your controllers at Hamas or Jihad asses your success here and make a decision on whether to pull you out or not. it seems to me you've only galvanized opinions against your cause. Keep up the good work.