Posted on 10/09/2001 6:37:31 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
Look, you just slammed Crosswalk as a known source of disinformation, as a reason not to believe the above story. You can hardly now cite this same story to back up your claim. I don't have a dog in this fight, and am a renowned skeptic of Internet news. All I'm asking for is a past example, a verified example of disinformation from Crosswalk.
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This is the sort of thing that is accepted in the third world, with its inferiority-complex-driven "us vs. them" mindset. But thinking people--Christians included--ought to expect more than pandering to outrage.
This isn't new. Muslims beat, torture and kill Christians all over the world EVERY DAY. There are two people imprisoned in Afghanistan for, PREACHING CHRISTIANITY!
Okay, you start out by saying that this happense "all over the world EVERY DAY." Then you cite ONE very well-known example, seen all over the media, of TWO women in prison for "preaching Christianity" (which after all IS against the law currently in Afghanistan). So how is your "feeling" that this is a world-wide phenomenon, supported by this one, single, well-publicized example?
ANSWER: It isn't. You (and many others) are able to take ONE example, put it together with many UNSUBSTANTIATED reports, and conclude it's "going on all over the world every day."
It just doesn't follow.
And again:
If we did that in the US, we'd have 8 million Muslims in prison. (Which is starting to sound like a good idea)...
This is what really astonishes me. The "get them before they get us" mentality is bizarre. It is the SAME THING that the "jihadists" believe and act upon. But it is NOT the basis for our moving against the radicals who have attacked us.
You see, we as a society don't share their illogical hatred of others. We protect PRINCIPLES, not prejudices. We are in this because the PRINCIPLES of freedom and liberty and equality are worth defending. NOT because we-hate-them-like-they-hate-us-so-we'll-kill-them-like-they-kill-us. That's just stupid.
In essence, you are saying that you BUY the "logic" and argument of the Taliban and all the other radical Islamists. You simply want to erase "Islam" and put in "Christianity." You want to kill THEM like they want to kill US. You want to JAIL THEM like they want to JAIL US.
How does that make YOU right and THEM wrong? ANSWER: It doesn't; it's just the other side of the same coin Osama bin Laden is using.
Villifying the enemy is understandable up to a point, but where it becomes general, malicious and completely irrational, it steps outside the body of principles that define Western civilization and the United States of America.
I wish that I had the time to do the research for you but I don't. But just consider this: Note that every SPECIFIC instance they cite in this story is nameless and "placeless." Then, note that each GENERAL statement (e.g. "In Pakistan, Indonesia, Nigeria and across the Islamic world, many Christians are terrified. They are living in fear and intimidation,...") isn't supported by examples at all.
They do mention "five Christian families" taken out and beaten during anti-American riots, but there is a significant absence of details there. For example, could those people have actually been FOREIGNERS living in Pakistan that were set upon for THAT reason? How do we know it was BECAUSE they were Christians that they were attacked?
I have just seen these kinds of "reports" from Crosswalk before, and it's always the same thing: Just diatribes and rhetoric without any attempt to be precise.
FWIW, I haven't watched the 700 Club's "Christian News Network" stuff for a long time, but as I recall I used to be fairly impressed with them because they did try to "get the story" instead of just rant. Their reporters would do on-the-spot reportage, do interviews, present facts or reasonable conjecture. Whether they're still that way or not (given Pat Robertson's trips "over the edge" in recent years) I couldn't say, but that used to be the case, IMO.
But Crosswalk is nothing at all like that.
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FREEPER WARNING: Illbay can sit on freeper all day and night in order to spread dis-information.
QUESTION for Illbay? Do the checks come directly from the HAMAS, PLO, TALIBHAN?
FREEPER WARNING: Illbay can sit on freeper all day and night in order to spread dis-information.
QUESTION for Illbay? Do the checks come directly from the HAMAS, PLO, TALIBHAN?
Actually, Crosswalk.com has been a source of many uplifting and very informative things which have always proven out for me in one way or another. Much of what they forward comes from other sources considered reliable by a wide diversity of Christian sites and newsletters.
Of course, if one is religiously materialist to the nth degree, than virtually anything from a God respecting site could be viewed as disinformation.
Still, I was quite surprised to see such an allegation about a site that provides so much useful stuff.
But even if they were all on the same block, their number would be very small compared to the surrounding society.
Most in such locations go feeling quite called and dedicated to doing God's will even to martyrdom. That doesn't mean they are yippy kai yai yea eager for it. . . nor that they want to be foolish about such things.
The fact remains that they deserve the charitable treatment many Islamists claim is part and parcel of Islam. At least they deserve the human rights most such countries signed on to in various UN treaties, agreements. . . . but we know what such is worth. . . .cheap paper.
But of more concern in the long term is that such will occur routinely in the continental U.S. in due course. The Bible is quite clear where the global gov is heading.-
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