Posted on 10/07/2001 5:15:59 AM PDT by sarcasm
Christianity sees non-believers as lost sheep subject to redemption through repentance and a simple profession of faith in Christ as savior. ISLAM (which is Arabic for submission) teaches that non-Muslims must be converted to Islam and, if they refuse to submit, they have no redeemable value - they are infadels. Islam teaches that it is permissible to shed the blood of infadels.
Dr. M. Khan the translator of Sahih al-Bukhari into English, had this to say in the introduction to his translation:
"Allah revealed in Sura Bara'at (Repentance, IX) the order to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29).
Al-Ghazali (died AH 505, that is AD 1127) who earned the title "hoggat al-Islam, meaning rock of Islam", some five centuries after the time of Mohammad, is not apologetic in stressing the use of force in the preservation and progress of Islam:
"After the death of Mohammad, the man of the miracle [the Qur'an] and the apostle of truth and the companions, fearing the weakening of Islam, the decrease of the number of its followers, and the return of masses to their previous infidelity, saw that holy war and invading other countries for the sake of Allah, smashing the faces of the infidels with the sword and making people enter the religion of Allah as the most worthy of all tasks and better than all sciences."
This has become a major problem -- so-called American citizens swearing allegiance to the country of their origin INSTEAD of the United States of America in case of war. The entire Mideast seems to be particularly afflicted with this "America Second" syndrome.
We owe these people NOTHING. It's gift to live in the USA, they treat it as a right. Now they give a collective middle-finger to those ancestors of ours who died in wars so that these bastards can live here?
As far as I'm concerned, the enemy has infiltrated.
Then, too, this is not what they thought about it 1,000 years ago. In fact, they could make a good case for their having "saved" Western Civilization at that time.
It's at this point I'd like to get into a discussion of how you can take the First, Second and Third Amendments to the US Constitution and derive the intention of the Founding Fathers to establish an aggressively armed Protestant State in America.
Which, of course, they did. So, there's no need for that discussion in this thread. Similarly, Mo's pique as indicated in the various of his sermons which were not "revealed" to him by the Angel, don't always have anything to do with religion or morality. Many Moslems are unaware of the differences in the two kinds of texts. The Wahabis know the differences but chose to ignore them. A good many folks knowledgeable in Islam who post in FreeRepublic also know the differences, but they likewise chose to ignore them.
We probably ought to have a standard that requires anyone citing the Koran to tell us whether the text referenced is from God or from Mo.
And what do Muslims want?
Total destruction of Israel and the rest of the world to convert to Muslisms
Scary in those so young
He certainly is a man of courage, under the circumstances. Yes, I've wondered the same - especially in light of Salmon(sp) Rusdie's circumstances.
With this evidence of direct involvement of these groups with the terrorist attacks, I hope a US Army recruitment team is asked in to these Islamic schools to aide these youths in the assimilation to army life. After all, they have the evidence now, lets see em carry out their promises.
Roles of Religion
To the Editor:
Re "The 2 Worlds of Muslim American Teenagers" (news article, Oct. 7): Your article about the views of Muslim students at Al Noor School in Brooklyn is one of the more frightening you have published in memory.
Though raised in our free society, some might not fight for America against fellow Muslims. Imagine what we would think of Christian students who refused to fight Germany in World War II because Germans were Christians.
America does not help Muslims? Obviously, these students were never taught about American aid to Afghan Muslims or of our fighting against Christians in Serbia to help Muslims.
Muslims are all victims? These students are oblivious to the human suffering caused by Muslim governments in Sudan and throughout the Middle East.
They deny that Muslims attacked New York and Washington on Sept. 11? Is truth a value in their school?
If the views of these young Muslim Americans are at all typical, we are in trouble.
DENNIS PRAGER
Glendale, Calif., Oct. 7, 2001
Seems to me that western nations by accepting 'refugees' are importing trouble. Big trouble.
Out of the mouth of babes God has, once again, perfected praise of the truth.
"Isn't it ironic that the interests of America are always against what Muslims want?
Now, haven't there been people like me who for the last month been telling people that this is EXACTLY what this is all about? Islamic Anti-Israeli atitudes?"
When you consider someone a prophet, the distinction is meaningless. For the Christian and Jew, if it is in the Bible, it is God's word, period. We may know when God is speaking directly, but we also believe it is ALL God's word.
Therefore, it is no small step to see how many Muslims believe it is ALL Allah's word, and is to be obeyed.
btw, this hold true more many recent immigrants in this country due to the killing of socialization programs to give basic "American" teachings,,,,,,,,nonetheless OUT !!
The sciences have concluded that E=MC-squared. Sword or nuke. Choose your weapon.
The portions that were not "revealed" are well known and understood for what they are. On the other hand, there is this Sharia business - that's Islamic law. It was developed based on the supposition that learned men, properly counseled in the revealed Word of God, could sit around asking "What would Mo or his disciples decide", and come up with a good answer.
The Sharia grew out of the same sort of thought that undergirds the "What Would Jesus Do" business. The inherent danger in this, as we were warned from the most ancient times by all the prophets and by Jesus in his day, is that it sits up men to be "like God", and presumes they may make "God-like" judgments. The correct approach is to look at what Jesus did and said, and what his disciples did and said, and what the prophets did and said - not would they "WOULD DO" or "WOULD SAY".
I hope you can understand this.
About 1000 AD the Moslem world got caught up in the development of Sharia and froze itself. They haven't made a serious change in the law for a millenium. About all you get are a bunch of bearded old men sitting around reviewing the Sharia to see what has already been decided and then issuing fatwa after fatwa. It's all akin to sorcery and necromancy. It's about as useful, too!
The most extreme Fundos in the Moslem world hold the Sharia and it's derivative fatwas to be supreme guides to living. They hold that the Koran has been interpreted in its totality in the Sharia. Where Sharia and Koran appear to conflict, they adhere to the Sharia.
They are, in short, "Hypocrites", as described by Mo, and must be dealt with in the same manner. BTW, it's the "Hypocrites" that Mo is directing his followers to kill. Quite possibly it would be only Protestants who would argue that the Koran be placed ahead of the Sharia as a guide to life. Catholics would do something similar to what Moslem Fundos do and is turn to canon law, or Church tradition (and various rulings on faith or morals issued by various patriarchs or the Pope.)
We have our own home-grown "100% American" freaks, too.
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