Posted on 10/02/2001 2:30:40 PM PDT by malakhi
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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles) -- Thread 153
I have a buisness to run boys and as soon as I get caught up today I'll start with the rest of my answers, and as soon as we all get done with these questions I have some more for you that your going to have trouble with like your having with these! All the answers I have read so far from the catholics are very weak.
BigMack
Goodbye, vmatt.
The difference here is that in examples fed us, your ideas, like Mariology, are in conflict with OT & NT directly. As a result, you have to find support for it elsewhere. That is why in the case of Mariology as in others, only scant passages in the Bible are used to attempt to prop it up. Primary sourcing for these things is Logical construct and extrabiblical writings that are in conflict with the Bible on more points than just Mary. And the authors are in conflict with one another as well. Catholicism knows how important the Bible is to Christianity as a whole - that is the only reason any attempt to tie doctrine to the Bible is made. If you take out the scant scripture references used to prop up the Mary issue, it stands completely on its own. It is a religion to itself. Which can be said also of the issue of saints.. It's another doctrine that absent passive swipes to the Bible stands as a religion to itself.
Christians look at the Bible and use it's different books to understand and contextualize things that are not understood without the context. Thus we know that when the Spiritual Rock of foundation is spoken of, we know that to be Jesus. When one says Queen of Heaven, we know that to be another diety - per Jeremiah chapters 7 & 44 (One might do good to read both complete chapters). For most, knowing these things is not the problem - accepting them is.
The question was answered, you want some cheese with that WHINE Is this the best you can come up with?
BigMack
Well, Becky, I guess there is a severe lack of common sense going on nowadays (and at all times, it seems). If it were just listening to common sense, there would be much agreement on things.
Did you read the lines we were going over yesterday, about Peter's death? My "common sense" sees in the "outstretching of arms" and the death "giving glory to God" a crucifixion. JHavard's common sense sees feeble old age giving glory to God.
Whose common sense is right?
It must be something different. Common sense tells us there's no way this man fed 5000 people with a few fish and a loaf of bread. Common sense tells us that the true message is that He got people to share the food they brought with them.
Common sense tells us that God (infinite) could never become a man(finite). Common sense tells us that spitting on dirt and rubbing it on someone's eyes doesn't cure blindness.
Your explanation overlooks the true and apparent differences people get when they read the same words. It also overlooks the entire miracle message of the Incarnation. None of it makes "common sense."
SD
Um, angelo? Vmatt has a direct line to both gods. Don't forget.
Will you affirm for me that Latin was not a dead language, was in fact the common language of literacy, when the Bible was translated into it?
SD
Is this constructive criticism taking time out from your preparing answers to the other questions?
SD
So we can't say that Jesus never told anybody to write anything, but we can say that He never gave the Apostles instructions for writing the Gospels and the Epistles.
SD
That was the question and that was the correct answer.
Dave might I quote you. Your so full of crap!
Defeat is difficult for you isn't it Dave.
BigMack
The difference here is that in examples fed us, your ideas, like Mariology, are in conflict with OT & NT directly.
This seems like a non sequitur to the comment of mine you echoed.
But anyway, you once again have no problem equating your interpretation of Scripture with a direct command from God.
When one says Queen of Heaven, we know that to be another diety - per Jeremiah chapters 7 & 44 (One might do good to read both complete chapters). For most, knowing these things is not the problem - accepting them is.
And when one says "David" we know that to be the Hebrew King from the book of Samuel, right? That must mean that I am the guy that Micahelangelo scultped. I am the guy who sent Uriah to die so I could have his wife. I'm very naughty, aren't I?
Either that, or my use of the name "David" is used to signify a wholly different person than the Biblical David. I realize that is confusing to some people.
SD
You can quote me on it.
SD
No just pointing out to all that you have trouble with admiting you were wrong.
Uh, no. The work of the Apostles was to Record and spread the word of the newly laid foundation. It seems the role of the 2nd century wannabes was to pervert that into something else - which attempt we know was being made even in the first century because it is documented in the Bible. Yet when we see you guys doing the very same things documented as wrong in the Bible, the hand wringing, foot twisting, rolling of eyes and excuse making is worse than the shows I remember from my middle school days. Man can people cook up excuses under pressure.
You guys abuse the Bible and hail your traditions. We point out scripture that addresses that and the name calling and excuses, etc. would be entertaining if it weren't sad. Nobody wants to accuse Catholicism, we want Catholicism to get it right. Anyone who thinks that pointing out mistakes is easy among loved ones is NUTS. And you don't cuss out your brother, you tell him like it is. If he's wrong you say so. If you don't, you sin as surely as he is sinning.
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