The Real Islam

Eduardo Lesseur Alexandre via Bill Somers' EndTimeProphVision site ^ | 30 SEP 2001 At above URL | Eduardo Lesseur Alexandre of Shield of Faith, Santa Cruz, Bolivia

[r9etb]

Skeptical bump for later.

[Non-Sequitur]

...maybe we ought to also include taking down a couple of their symbols, the al Aska mosque on the temple mound in Jerusalem, and the Ka’ba a black structure in Mecca.

According to the author we could just take out a Masonic temple or two.

[PaxMacian]

FYI side by side topical comparisons:

BIBLE says what? KORAN says what?

[kinsman redeemer]

Bump: Must Read later!~

[China Clipper]

What is this guys credentials? Experience? I think he like a million others is just spouting his opinion and/or assertations, to which, by the way he is entitled.

I am afraid any articles like these which preport to be "feeling right" are just inflammatory and should be posted under opinion, NOT news.

Just MY opinion :)

[Quix]

Thanks for quick replies--on my way to bed.

I guess I accept that he is who he says he is and has had the experiences he asserts he's had.

Given that, it seems to me he has had valuable experience and a valuable perspective on a key aspect of current news.

Nevertheless, I'd prefer to post it where most fitting. . . .wherever that is.

[father_elijah]

Thanks for the link.

Troubling thing is that Islam is under no moral obligation to tell us the truth. In fact under the doctrine of Taqiya and its variants, Muslims should lie to non-believers if it furthers the cause of spreading Islam's control over the whole world.

elijah+
There is no God but God, and Jesus Christ is God's only-begotten Son.

[Quix]

I also felt that we have been absent much South American perspective. Given his extensive experience with Islam I for one appreciated his So Am perspective.

[foolscap]

I can't say I agree with the author totally however I do feel just from watching tv that there are two Islams. I can not understand why the Islamic community has not come out full force aganist the attacks. I see some lip service but not what I would call outright indignation. I see more passion over racial profiling than I do over having their "peaceful" religion being "hijacked". I see more tv time spent on crimes against American Musllim citizens by red-necks than I do of American Muslims foaming at the mouth to stop the terrorists. It just seems odd to me.

[Brian Allen]

This is pretty much PC.

Pure crap.

The false-"prophet"-chasing blasphemy called "islam" is rotten enough without this joker distorting its reputation.

I'd reckon that poor old brother Eduardo is snorting way too much coke down there in Bolivia and is having a little hatred-driven hissy fit.

And couldn't miss a hateful Roman church swipe at the Masons, 55 of whom [Out of 56] signed America's Declaration of Independence and were Our FRaternal Republic's Founding Fathers -- and many of Our best presidents [George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Harry Truman -- just to name a couple] -- and who [Anonymously] do a massive amount of Good in our society to this day.

[PaxMacian]

There is little to worry about with the masons. Freemasonry has only some 5 million members worldwide. Moreover, every ritual is secret, therefore the 33rd degree conjecture can only be hearsay. However, I can say that they go a long way in their writings to show that the name of G-d is unattainable, unspeakable, unknowable, for to do so is to limit the unlimited. If the last degree, the final culmination of a lifelong devotion to the one supreme being actually used any name I would be surprised and undoubtedly so would the Mason.

It is a shame that now I question the veracity of the rest of the info.

[Quix]

Your replies seem sensible enough. . . However, from my limited knowledge and exposure . . .

My housemate for more than a year was a Moslem--one of the many descendants of Mohamed--born and reared in Morroco. He agrees with the Bolivian Bro. . . . and is very rabidly convinced that the root of the word "Allah" is a name for satan from a satan worshipping cult of that era that predated Mohamed.

The Masonic thing was a bit of a surprise in the middle of the doc. However, There are a number of former Masons--a few of reportedly the highest degree that lived long enough to write their stories. They assert the same and much more as the Bro from Bolivia. Their stories are available on the web as I recall.

My best man's father is a more or less life-long Mason. I'm convinced that the more important, more serious aspect of the Masonic phenomena is VERY buried and that what is known on the surface is really surface window dressing.

Otherwise, I'd have to say, that several counseling experiences with a few Masons suggest there's something serious in the direction of the Bolivian Bro's allegations.

And certainly there are many of those who assert that the fact that many of our nation's founding fathers and presidents were Masons is much more cause for alarm than acclaim. God alone knows the degree of accuracy with all the conspiracy allegations. But one begins to wonder when dozens and dozens of bits of information begin to point in the same direction.

[John Locke]

He chose the name of Allah for God, as this was the most popular deity in this area. Even so, Allah was a moon god of war and fortifications.

That one is wrong. Mohammed called God "Allah" because almost everyone else around him did. It is simply the Syriac word "alah" imported into Arabic. There is direct morphological proof of this: the second "a" of "alah" is a vowel sound unknown in pure Arabic; indeed it the Koran it occurs only in that word. It is cognate with the Hebrew word "eloh", whose plural "elohim" is also used to refer to God.

If Jesus spoke Aramaic, then he also would have used "alah".

Mohammed's innovation, as still used in the first sentence of the Shahada, was the assertion that "there is no God but God"; in other words, he taught monotheism to an existing polytheistic society. And it got him into trouble.

[Quix]

I certainly haven't checked up on my friend's research or yours. As I recall, he did mention the point you made but for some reason felt it was not convincing or conclusive or something. I don't know. Not my focus of research at all.

It was an interesting idea.

Personally, I think God examines the heart. The heart that seeks Him regardless--more or less--labels will most likely find Him.

[Quix]

PERHAPS THIS SOURCE CITED IN ANOTHER POST WOULD MORE CONVINCINGLY ENLIGHTEN YOU?

http://www.politicalusa.com/columnists/brewer/brewer_021.htm

[Quix]

The URL cited in reply 17 above might further enlighten you as well.

[John Locke]

Personally, I think God examines the heart. The heart that seeks Him regardless--more or less--labels will most likely find Him

I agree. And thank you for reminding me that there are far more important things than politics or etymology. May the peace of God reach out to all our hearts in this time of trial.

[MWS]

Just a very quick point- "jinn" is NOT properly rendered as demon. In the Arabic view, a jinn is simply a spirit creature with free will (if I am not mistaken, angels are not considered to have free will, and thus jinn and angels are different things). Technically speaking, a jinn can be either evil or good. However, Muhammad did believe at first that the source of his revelation could have been an evil jinn.