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DC-10 Captain, a Police Officer, Talks Straight
Keep and Bear Arms ^
| September 26, 2001
| John Burnett
Posted on 09/28/2001 9:49:19 PM PDT by Solitar
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His comments above say it all.
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posted on
09/28/2001 9:49:19 PM PDT
by
Solitar
To: Solitar
worthy of a BIG BUMP
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posted on
09/28/2001 9:55:05 PM PDT
by
error99
To: Solitar
Excellent post.
My only suggestion would be that at the beginning of each flight the captain should tell the passengers that in the event of hijacking he is ordering every passenger to make every effort to kill the hijacker by any means necessary.
I know that would make me feel confident that I had a captain I could count on!
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posted on
09/28/2001 9:59:27 PM PDT
by
cgbg
(cgbgjr@webtv.net)
To: cgbg
wow! now thats some in flight reading material!
To: Solitar
Police are always looking for something freeLOL! How true.
I can't back the Captain's suggestion regarding the police filling the vacant seats. Too many head-cases and swelled-heads.
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posted on
09/28/2001 10:06:50 PM PDT
by
onyx
To: JohnGalt
Your stolen hotel bic pen. Drive it into an attacker's eye, ear, throat, or into the area just under the jaw bone. That's a particular interesting place to drive it, because when he opens his mouth to scream, you can read Hyatt sticking there.
LMAO
To: cgbg
Do the 6G positive maneuver, or call all able bodied men forward, but please not both at the same time!;) Good article!
To: Solitar
My fellow passengers:
Please do not mistrust me. I am a good guy with the best of intentions. I hope the media will not make me out to be the bad guy. I hope my family and your family will understand. I hope our friends would do the same thing.
It might be, on some future flight, the actions I will take may get us all killed. If a hijacker stands up and says he has got a bomb and he is going to blow up the plane unless we do what he says, I am going to do everything in my power to exterminate the bastard. I will throw everything I can at him, I will approach him with pillows and blankets and crutches and canes. When I get close enough I will beat the $hit out of him until he stops moving.
I hope for the rest of us he doesn't have a bomb. If he does and it goes off, I am sorry.
Never again will there be another flight that becomes a human missle if I can help it.
I hope you understand when I get up and run towards this useless scum that I am not for him or with him, I am the end of him.
If we all make it. I do not want to be the hero. I want to be alive. I want to go home again. I want to love my family. I want to be with my friends. I want to love my country
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posted on
09/28/2001 10:16:27 PM PDT
by
Aztech
To: All
Every potential passenger should soon know that if the "Fasten Seat Belt" light comes on during such an event - they could soon be flying upside down or be introduced to the
"Vomit Comet" - though that would be preferable to dying.
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posted on
09/28/2001 11:01:00 PM PDT
by
Solitar
To: snopercod,mommadooo3,verb
Bump.
To: Solitar,JohnGalt,cgbg,Frank_2001
My selection for a recent flight, was a golf ball, a pen, and a metallic penlight.
The golf ball makes a good "brass knuckle," or you can throw it at the hijacker.
The penlight contains batteries which you can throw at the attacker; and then you crush the open end of the [then empty] metallic flashlight and thus have a crude knife edge.
And finally, the pen, as usefully mentioned in previous replies above.
I boarded the aircraft, prepared for combat: there is only one kind of a hijacker, a dead one.
To: Solitar
How about allowing law-abiding citizens who can pass a shooting accuracy test (3 yard shots) to conceal carry. Instruct them to "Israeli-style" carry (no round in the chamber).
I for one do not want the Captain to have to leave the flight deck and fight a terrorist.
I want him healthy and fully capable of piloting the aircraft and fully confident that the passengers can take care of themselves.
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posted on
09/28/2001 11:35:21 PM PDT
by
ASTM366
To: Solitar
Make it public. Tell the public they're welcome to bring their pocket knives onboard. Then everyone will bring them. When you make your intercom call for help, you'll have a dozen or more knife wielding helpers trying to make sure their new Gerber tastes fanatics blood. There are even a few of them who'd want to keep ears as souvenirs.Now why isn't this guy head of the FAA? He makes sense that's why. His reasoning would separate the men from the boys of the terrorist world because only a "man" terrorist would try to hijack a plane with a couple dozen amateurs about to enter their first class on carving, slicing, and dicing. With all the turkeys I've tried to carve and massacred I would gladly be willing to supervise this first carving class. "Ah, no, that's too deep. Yes, one piece at a time. SSSlllllllllllllloooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwllllllllllyyyyyyyyy. That's right, the more blood the better, but oh, the screaming is not quite loud enough. Carve there"! But if I can't be boss I will have a knife!
In all seriousness, if a situation like this pilot mentions occurs, consider yourself expendable and dead and go for the kill. Then most likely you will live. Just don't stab your fellow warrior in the rush to get the ba$tard!!
To: First_Salute
I've been told that a nose rammed up into a head will kill. And that there are 18 places on the human body that are pressure points for death. I'll have to ask hubby. I remember him telling me that they taught such lovely topics in the Rangers.
To: Solitar
The following is from a letter by a professional friend and her return flight to D.C. this week. I just wanted to drop you all a note and let you know that I arrived safe and sound into Dulles Airport tonight [9/15] at about 6:00. It was an interesting flight. The airport in Denver was almost spooky, it was so empty and quiet. No one was in line for the security check point when I got there so that went fairly quickly, just x-ray of my bags and then a chemical test to be sure nothing explosive was on them. Then I waited 2 1/2 hours to board the plane. What happened after we boarded was interesting and thought I would share it with you. The pilot/captain came on the loudspeaker after the doors were closed. His speech went like this: "First I want to thank you for being brave enough to fly today. The doors are now closed and we have no help from the outside for any problems that might occur inside this plane. As you could tell when you checked in, the government has made some changes to increase security in the airports. They have not, however, made any rules about what happens after those doors close. Until they do that, we have made our own rules and I want to share them with you. Once those doors close, we only have each other. The security has taken care of a threat like guns with all of the increased scanning, etc. Then we have the supposed bomb. If you have a bomb, there is no need to tell me about it, or anyone else on this plane; you are already in control. So, for this flight, there are no bombs that exist on this plane. Now, the threats that are left are things like plastics, wood, knives, and other weapons that can be made or things like that which can be used as weapons. Here is our plan and our rules. If someone or several people stand up and say they are hijacking this plane, I want you all to stand up together. Then take whatever you have available to you and throw it at them. Throw it at their faces and heads so they will have to raise their hands to protect themselves. The very best protection you have against knives are the pillows and blankets. Whoever is close to these people should then try to get a blanket over their head--then they won't be able to see. Once that is done, get them down and keep them there. Do not let them up. I will then land the plane at the closest place and we WILL take care of them. After all, there are usually only a few of them and we are 200+ strong! We will not allow them to take over this plane. I find it interesting that the US Constitution begins with the words "We, the people"--that's who we are, THE people and we will not be defeated. With that, the passengers on the plane all began to applaud, people had tears in their eyes, and we began the trip toward the runway. The flight attendant then began the safety speech. One of the things she said is that we are all so busy and live our lives at such a fast pace. She asked that everyone turn to their neighbors on either side and introduce themselves, tell each other something about your families and children, show pictures, whatever. She said "for today, we consider you family. We will treat you as such and ask that you do the same with us." Throughout the flight we learned that for the crew, this was their first flight since Tuesday's tragedies. It was a day that everyone leaned on each other and together everyone was stronger than any one person alone. It was quite an experience. You can imagine the feeling when that plane touched down at Dulles and we heard "welcome to Washington Dulles Airport, where the local time is 5:40". Again, the cabin was filled with applause. Last night I saw a program with college students where one of them said that at their campus there are no more hyphenated titles, i.e., African-American, etc., everyone is just an American. No one will ever be able to take that pride away from us.
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posted on
09/29/2001 7:10:52 AM PDT
by
liberateUS
(markejones@cs.com)
To: Solitar
A HUGE FedEx employee bump!
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posted on
09/29/2001 7:22:12 AM PDT
by
brewcrew
To: Solitar
Command that all men come forward and fight the hijackers. You have many able-bodied men onboard. They are sitting in shock not knowing what to do. Command they come forward and help you kill your attackers. And, they will come. Men in the back 4 or 5 rows cover the the others. Hijackers may have a sleeper or two waiting in the wings.
To: Solitar
Very good, except for one of my peeves:
If you loose the battle...
One would think someone smart enough to fly an airplane and think up these responses to terrorists would at least know how to spell.
To: real saxophonist
Very good, except for one of my peevesOne of mine as well, but I'll cut him some slack due to the fact that he's helping stoke the fire that's been lit inside all of us.
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posted on
09/29/2001 7:41:32 AM PDT
by
brewcrew
To: Solitar
Make it public. Tell the public they're welcome to bring their pocket knives onboard. Then everyone will bring them. When you make your intercom call for help, you'll have a dozen or more knife wielding helpers trying to make sure their new Gerber tastes fanatics blood. There are even a few of them who'd want to keep ears as souvenirs. Am not so sure this is a good idea. Knives are hard to use (as weapons) if you don't know what you are doing. Having a planeload of knife-wielding innocents may not be a match for a few terrorists who understand slashing techniques. I prefer arming the pilots and having armed marshals aboard.
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