The Last Totalitarians - It’s not a completely new war.

National Review Online ^ | 09/28/2001 | Brink Lindsey

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

"...they wanted to drive the Papists out of North America...."

Nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah, nyah!! I guess they failed since two of my extremely Papistical ancestors manned the front lines of the Grand Army of the Republic. Maybe that was it, though. They were meat and potato Papists, and gave as good as they got. (Another lost art in the "pluribus" part of "E Pluribus Unum").

[Torie]

How pathetic. Do you know just WHEN the French and Indian War was?

I am pleased that your ancestors served. I guess that they weren't part of the band of Irish-Americans in Brooklyn that rioted over being drafted. Or perhaps they were, and were drafted anyway. Whatever.

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

"...Bill Clinton bombed the hell out of the Serbs..."

I really think Bill Clinton has become an unhealthy fetish for some people. The idea that the bombing of the Serbs was solely his brainchild is too fantastic to be believed. The entire apparatus of our government, our coporate press, and a huge number of the population, supported that grotesque bombing.

But I also realize that examination of the National Conscience is not a popular thing around here these days....

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

"...I guess that they weren't part of the band of Irish-Americans in Brooklyn that rioted over being drafted. Or perhaps they were, and were drafted anyway. Whatever...."

Little boxes of "tolerance". Everybody in their little box and a little box for everybody. Why? Because then we can teach American history with the proper "perspective".

[SwimmingUpstream]

In any rational cost benefit analysis, America, and indeed the world, derives far more beneits than it accrues in costs from America's foreign policy. One one of those benefits is that folks like perhaps get less of what they might want in the world than would otherwise be the case.

(I assume that you meant "get less of what they might not want".) More Benthamite Nonsense. Yugoslavia.

More Benthamite Nonsense. Atomization. Working for the purpose of buying. License. Less humane personal liberty.

A well-made statement is worth repeating:

Our culture labors in an advanced state of decadence. What many people mistake for the triumph of our culture actually consists of forces that are disintegrating our culture. The vaulted democratic freedom of liberal society in reality is servitude to appetites and illusions that attack religious belief, that destroy community through excessive centralization and urbanization and efface life-giving tradition." --Russell Kirk .

[SwimmingUpstream]

In any rational cost benefit analysis, America, and indeed the world, derives far more beneits than it accrues in costs from America's foreign policy. One one of those benefits is that folks like perhaps get less of what they might want in the world than would otherwise be the case.

(I assume that you meant "get less of what they might not want".) More Benthamite Nonsense. Yugoslavia.

More Benthamite Nonsense. Atomization. Working for the purpose of buying. License. Less humane personal liberty.

A well-made statement is worth repeating:

Our culture labors in an advanced state of decadence. What many people mistake for the triumph of our culture actually consists of forces that are disintegrating our culture. The vaulted democratic freedom of liberal society in reality is servitude to appetites and illusions that attack religious belief, that destroy community through excessive centralization and urbanization and efface life-giving tradition." --Russell Kirk .

[LaBelleDameSansMerci]

...And without any irritating complexity or diversity. (Put away the Cliff's Notes.)

[habs4ever]

Oh, it must be demoralizing to be you.Surrounded by decay, ruled, obviously in an illegitimate fashion, by an overreaching government that is much too arrogant and gives the franchise to too many cretins.So when the bombs fall, which side will you be on? I wonder if your liberties are in fact worth me dying over.I think you wouldn't mind that, actually.You first, as this world seems too much for you at this time.

[novakeo]

Good post Fury

Envy may not be the only reason for Muslim contempt, but it's the primary reason.

That's what the pundits want you to beleive sinkspur. It is way to simplistic and primal to be true. Muslim's as a civilization are much more sophisticated than that. You and many on FR spew the same nonsense, the Muslims hate us for our glorious virtues.

Most of the states of the Middle East are - "client-states" of the West. All these countries with the exceptions of Libya after Qadhafi's ascent to power, Syria after the installation of the Ba'athist Party regime, and Iran after the Islamic revolt are run by "native elites" that owe their allegiance to the United States -from the Saudi royal family in the Arabian Peninsula, to the Hashemites in Jordan and all the other so-called "royal houses" in Kuwait, Bahrain, Quatar, etc. All these countries and the elites that rule over them were "created" specifically to service the interests of the Western oil companies at the expense of the native populations. An essential part of the strategy was that the oil elites (acting under the authority and power of occupier of that era, Great Britain) drew the boundaries of the various nations there during the 1920s and 1930s. It was done in a manner designed to insure the separation of the large population centers of the area from those vicinities where the oil was actually located. This skewed ownership of property in one of the world's wealthiest and most heavily armed regions is a festering wound to the Arab's and is a vital source of discontent towards the West. What this division means is that control of the sparsely-populated oil-producing areas has fallen into the hands of a system of local elites known as the "ARAB FACADE", a series of weak and extremely pliable "family dictatorships" that are compliant with the wishes of the Western oil companies, while the population centers have been detached and given over to the mobs.

The hatred of America is not based on virtue as the pundits explain, rather it is a bonified hatred towards American oil elites(globalism) which is plundering their economic wealth and supporting family dictatorships that torture and murder them, that is the true cause and direction of their hate. Moslem fundementalism is feeding off of this exploitation, just like Hitler did in the 1920's and 30's after the allies exploited Germany at Versailles. This cycle of violence will never end. Maybe one day at Maggido

[habs4ever]

Bitch all you want about the culture you inhabit, but its the only one you have right now.Are you prepared to fight for the life you have?

[MHGinTN]

I'm always amused when a pseudo-intellectual tries to insult me. Thanks, I needed a good laugh; LaBelleDameSansMerci's condescension was growing tiresome.

[SwimmingUpstream]

Do you know just WHEN the French and Indian War was?

I do. It was before the commonly mis-named Civil War. Therefore the failed effort to rid the Union of papists during the F/I wars would account for the presence of papists during later years.

Pathetic is the word, but it does not apply to labelledamesansmerci.

[SwimmingUpstream]

Bitch all you want about the culture you inhabit, but its the only one you have right now.Are you prepared to fight for the life you have?

The culture within which I live in the US is not the dominant culture of the US. You apparently don't understand what is properly meant by the word culture. I am fighting for the preservation of my way of life -- against two other cultures that are waging war against it.

[habs4ever]

Well, good for you then.

[SwimmingUpstream]

I'm always amused when a pseudo-intellectual tries to insult me.

I didn't try to insult you. I pointed out error in your thinking.

I notice you have made no substantive reply to my criticism. You, like Torie, misapply your characterizations ("pseudo-intellectual", etc.) -- a sad substitute for honest debate.

[SwimmingUpstream]

You think it good be under attack by two agressive cultures? You and I don't agree on the meaning of the word "good".

[novakeo]

Self described "conservatives"--who are rejoicing at the "tough talk" of body bags, the "refreshing" secrecy of the military campaign, the lack of a declared war--how old fashioned--, the lack of a certain enemy, the "warm national "unity" dribbling over the country like...well...just like something that dribbles warmly--had better pause and ask themselves for whom the bell tolls. For whom is this "crusade" (that must not speak its name) being waged? Upon whose altar stone are we offering ouselves as sacrifices?

First, it was a pleasure reading your post. Voulez vous coucher avec moi sur soir? ;-)

Could it be the altar stone of mammon ie: black gold? For certain western oil elites.

Conservatives have become quite a curious lot. They have been frenzied into a war fever, God forbid any one questioning their glorious leaders, after all, they are in a position of authority, presumed to have superior wisdom and access to mountains of information to justify all decisions. Who are we to question our elite. Most of the sheep have been conditioned to accept this reality. Institutionalized elites and their rabid media priesthood will remind us constantly of what we must think. They will demand more authority over our lives (Office of Homeland Security, national ID cards), to hell with your constitutional rights, its all for your own safety and well being. They tell you that all your problems will be best solved by the same thinking that created them. Not to worry, your corporate global elites and its hired military will inflict death and destruction upon the world, in the accepted course of blood for the remedy of blood. After all, the enemy hates you for your virtues, you are told. You are also told that this enemy hates your freedoms that you are willing to give up. You are told that this enemy is evil incarnate, who hate democracy and apple pie. Not to worry, the justice of total war with no seen enemy is now a righteous American cause, and that is ok, it will be a patriotic war with no end.

By the way Madame, why didn't Bush mention the wonderful ones? just wondering, kind of ;-)

[Torie]

Therefore the failed effort to rid the Union of papists during the F/I wars would account for the presence of papists during later years.

LOL. Let me help you with some of this. In the 1750's, the colonies along the Atlantic seaboard had almost no Catholics. The place was probably about 98% Protestant, or more. In New England, it was largely of a fanactical, at that time, Congregationalist, variant. The Papists that needed to be driven out were in New Brunswick and Quebec. The ones in New Brunswick were in fact driven out, and a few ended up in Louisiana (they are now known affectionately as "coonasses"). The Brits refused however to drive out the locals along the St Lawrence River because it would have been an administrative nightmare, much to the chagrin of the colonists.

America continued to be a largely Catholic free zone until the Irish arrived in the 1840's, and a few German Catholics from the 1848 revolution.

I hope that helps. It is shocking how little history is taught these days.

[annalex]

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the World

It is, but the militant spirit in it is giving way to soccer Islam. Perhaps that is why it is growing.

[Torie]

Actually, I think it was Nova Scotia rather than New Brunswick. Several thousand colonists from New England resettled Nova Scotia once the French Catholics were gone. It was quite a land rush in fact.