Posted on 09/28/2001 11:19:47 AM PDT by Magician
I did try to indicate the editing with "......" and realized that some readers would go to the original to see what was edited out.
Let the chips fall where they fall.
Instead, we are screwing around with alliances endorsed by the Rodney King school of 'can't we all just get along'.
America is NOT acting like a superpower. We are not acting as the rest of the world expected after 7000 of us die at the hands of a foreign aggressor.
Where is the outcry of the Greatest Generation in all this ? Sitting around collecting their retirement checks ?
This whole affair is shaping up to be another one-term-Carter desert boondoggle.
BUMP
First of all, they weren't symbols. They were office space. So many dollars per square foot per month. They are symbols now, of course. They didn't destroy symbols, they created symbols.
When the arab world as a whole is crying that they are engaged in a holy war against us, I BELIEVE THEM
The Arab world (Moslem world --- Iranians, Afghans and Pakistanis are not Arab) are not crying that they are engaged in a holy war. You are watching TV news and thinking those who perform for the cameras are representative. A minority (we can debate the size) is doing so, but they are a minority, and a very violent one, who threaten and intimidate their neighbors and own governments as much or more than they threaten us. Just as the majority of American women do not look like Bay Watch, and the majority of American men are not like the Sopranos, the majority of Moslems are not blood thirsty mad men bent on conquest. Switch off the TV for a while and take propaganda articles like this one with a grain of salt. The majority of Arab peoples do not want war and are willing to have friendly relations with the West.
Our challenge is to defeat the radical elements and those governments that support them, without alienating those who would be friendly. It can be done with cool heads and a steely resolve. Thank God we have those qualities in our current leadership.
These fools do not only not understand the Bible (or apparently really care about what it actually says), but do not even follow the true Nazi dogma, which rejected Christianity, other than to make alliances with the apostate parts of the Catholic and Lutheran churches, who in effect agreed to Hitler's stated goal of replacing God with himself, and the cross with the swastika.
But I suppose you are right. No group with looney beliefs should be taken lightly, no matter how absurd they are, nor how tiny a minority they are. The animal rights groups are in this category as well. They aren't prone to sway large numbers of the sheep, the way a pope could, or a muslim cleric, or one of our secular modern witch doctors, but they can definitely cause a lot of heartache and mayhem (and dishonor the name of Christ every day).
But on the topic of the CI being an invention of the FBI, I must admit that many of these wacky groups would probably cease to exist at all if their numbers were not so propped up by federal agents. The cult in Elohim City is a fine example. The Feds were tripping all over each other in that group. There was even a BATF informant sleeping with a German national working for the FBI, in order to gather intelligence! The leader of that cult was even working for the FBI. Ah, what a tangled web it is! I say that the FBI is one of the most dangerous and sinister organizations in existence today. Many of my allies tell me they're just stupid. Corrupt, yes, they say, but mostly just stupid. Maybe my friends are right.
But holy tamale! I digress from the topic of the thread!
Excellent observation!
Moshe, when you get back home maybe you'll realize Israel hasn't won a war that was started on the 1st day of your existence as an independent nation. We didn't let the British tell us how to fight a war in Europe after Dunkirk and we are not going to let you tell us how to fight a war in the Middle East after more than 5 days of attrition.
And unlike the gallant Israelies, I don't think we should make Americans of middle eastern background carry different colored license plates. Or require everybody who wants to be a citizen of our country to be of an approved faith.
Then of course, maybe the reward of the bad manners exhibited here should be the removal of the $469 per person per year subsidy coming from the weak, foolish Americans.
We must destroy their symbols. [Photos of the El-Aksa mosque on the Temple Mount and the Kaba building in Mecca.]
That was pretty much my original take on the matter, too.
The Muslim terrorists will not stop until they realize that the War is too costly. Since they frame their war as a Jihad, and they present no "return address" we may have to attack some icons of the Muslin world.
Let me suggest some:
1. Sieze the Gulf oil fields. Nothing will take the wind out of the sails of the Muslim Arab world faster than this.
2. Impose a Carthaginian peace on Afghanistan to make it an example to other nations such as Syria or Iraq of the cost of harboring these people [Let no stone rest upon another. Sow the land with salt. Etc.]
3. Tear down some of their holy places: Dome of the Rock, El Aksa, the Kaaba, the Great Mosque of Mecca. They don't hesitate to destroy any holy place of another religion, as illustrated by their recent destruction of the Great Bhudda of Afghanistan or their recent conversion of Jacob's tomb to a mosque.
Our present course of action of chasing bin Laden will only give us a small victory. It will not end the War.
Stay tuned. You'll see.
And just where are you getting this information from? I get mine from Gallup:
| Two-thirds of Pakistanis support Afghanistan over US: poll AFP Islamabad, September 19 More than two-thirds of people in Pakistan think their government should side with Afghanistan rather than the United States if Washington attacks the neighbouring country, a Gallup poll said Wednesday. The survey is another sign of the risk President Pervez Musharraf has taken in offering Pakistan's full support for the United States war on terrorism following last week's devastating attacks in New York and Washington. Gallup said the snap poll of 500 people showed 85 per cent believed a US strike against Afghanistan, where terror suspect Osama bin Laden lives under the wing of the ruling Taliban militia, was imminent. While 32 per cent of people supported Musharraf's decision to lend Pakistan's support to the United States, 62 per cent opposed it. Only seven per cent said Pakistan should side with the United States if Washington attacks Afghanistan, while 27 per cent advised neutrality and 63 per cent said it should side with Afghanistan. "The survey findings show that Pakistanis make a sharp distinction between the right to seek extradition and the right to make military strikes," Gallup said in a statement. "It is interesting to note that in 27 out of 29 countries where this global survey was carried out by Gallup International, majorities opposed military strike." Pakistan has seen days of vocal protests from religious groups against possible US attacks on Afghanistan and Pakistan's promised cooperation. By the way this article has been removed from the Hindustan Times website and you can't find this poll on the Gallup website either.
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Where is that exactly? Isn't that the section of Macy's where you can buy bedsheets and stuff? ;-)
I think it’s really insulting for any Israeli to stick his nose in our business in an attempt to talk us into fighting his enemy so he won’t have to get his hands dirty or lose any soldiers, while our boys die on his battlefields. Let him fight his own wars and mind his own damn business.You want to think that one through again?
Do you really want to tell him to "fight his own wars"?
If he does, there will be peace in the middle east in the space of one hour.
Millions of acres of searing hot glass, and peace.
He has not "fought his wars" precisely because we have leaned on him not to.
So engage your brain for a moment and consider the implications of that which you advocate.
Where is that exactly? Isn't that the section of Macy's where you can buy bedsheets and stuff?
At least no one can accuse me of religious prejudice.
This hysterical screed from a citizen of an American protectorate that wouldn't survive a fortnight in the absence of our absolute friendship, largesse and bodyguard services.Your mind just slipped a gear.
You neglected to remember that "in the absence of" Israel's continued restraint -- at the urging of the US -- the "Arab World" would become the world's largest parking lot, and do so in far less than the space of "a fortnight."
Be careful what you wish for.
Time to declare a "War on Equities?"Get with the program. Greenspan won that war last year.
They've lost about 10,000 people in these wars and to terrorist incidents. Considering that the Israeli population is 1/60th that of ours, they have lost the equivalent of about 600,000 dead relative to our population. That's about ten Vietnams.
They buy their freedom with THEIR blood, not ours. Wish we could say the same about the Saudis and Kuwaitis.
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