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Government Against the People
Words of Truth ^ | Aaron Armitage

Posted on 09/24/2001 12:49:15 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage

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To: Askel5
Tres bon, ma cher.

Bon jour, ma petit ami.

81 posted on 09/24/2001 2:12:34 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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To: Texaggie79
What right of yours does owning a blunt violate? Or, to put it in terms of what I actually do, which right does my taking a shot of vodka violate(presuming I own the vodka)?
82 posted on 09/24/2001 2:13:55 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: A.J.Armitage
Okay, I can easily agree with the following and even go so far as to note that there exists a large fraction (near 50% nationally) of American populace who would trade this Constitutional Republic --especially in a peril like we now face-- for some form of oligarchy, a party-ruled government.

"A non-tyrannical government exists to protect the persons and property of everyone inside its jurisdiction by punishing domestic criminals and defeating foreign attackers, and as such is an ally and supporter of the people. To the extent that a government exists for any other purpose, especially a purpose which aims to force human nature to fit an artificial ideal, it must treat the people as an enemy to be subdued."

If I may, sir, it is when the sovereigns of a Constitutional Republic, the people, fail to maintain vigorous involvement in their election process that the Republic is in greatest peril. The rise of a criminal enterpirse democrat party and a gelatinous-spined Republican party have greatly imperiled this Republic because the somnambulent electorate have irresponsible representatives ... neither tyrranical or non-tyrranical, merely shortsightedly self-absorbed. Hopefully, with this war on a religious totalitarian enemy the people will waken and remain awake when the peace comes.

[BTW, I enjoyed your article, and I happen to agree with much of your agenda in writing the article the way you focused it. You used a reference to the Taliban in a generic sense of the people, then responded to my simplistic critique in a specific application (only if the populace is roughly 50% female, does your assertion works non-generically).]

83 posted on 09/24/2001 2:14:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: A.J.Armitage
We can make smoking or taking drugs a socially unacceptable practice such that the results are FAR better than this "war" on drugs. I do not use drugs and really hate them, but I also hate even more this stupid "war". Many people's lives are ruined by it an the vast majority of crime is for because of it. But, this nation will always be under fire because there are thousands of people and billions of dollars at stake in this "war". None of these people are willing to go find new jobs or do without that kind of money.
84 posted on 09/24/2001 2:19:01 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: Texaggie79
Is it somehow possible you miss the connection between drug cash (the most profitable bidness on the planet) and the underwriting of terrorists and other militant "under the table" efforts? Where do you think they get their funds as a rule? I realize Bin Laden's family has a long history of "legit" business in Boston and Texas but he is remarkable for that. Generally, we're talking "ragheads" with no personal fortunes to speak of, right?

Perhaps the policies of the "Clean Hands" types -- like the Saudis whose Zero Tolerance policy actually rings of a "War on Drugs" -- has somehow confused you.

I myself think EVERY thread on terrorism should include a connection to drugs and drug profits ... if only because that's the way it works in Real Life.

85 posted on 09/24/2001 2:22:56 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: A.J.Armitage
What right of yours does owning a blunt violate?

Personally, I don't have a problem with it. But in a state that deems that to be harmful to your neighbors, you violate their right to determine the standards of which they live by.

86 posted on 09/24/2001 2:23:14 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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tyrranical = tyrannical Sorry folks; stuttering fingers.
87 posted on 09/24/2001 2:26:00 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Storm Orphan
You continue to present information untruthfully and make flase assertions.

You continue to try to assert that and each time I prove you wrong, you look for something else. There is no lie here as you hope so desperately for. The comment on prohibition of drugs being tyrannical was made, this is fact.

88 posted on 09/24/2001 2:27:32 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: Texaggie79
America is not exempt. The prohibition of drugs, for example, cannot be enforced by means fit for a free people, and rather than ending it the government resorts to means unfit for a free people. That the majority of the people currently support the war on drugs does nothing to make the means of enforcing it, which still don't work, any less like the measures of an occupying army. Our government has declined from its original position under the Constitution, but our old liberty can be restored or even improved upon, if enough people have the will to do so.

No where does it state the prohibition on drugs is "tyrannical."

It states that we, too, have adopted policies unfit for a free people, and that we need to return to our Constitutional roots.

In the mission statement of this website, JR assrts correctly that our government has drifted from its constitutional roots, but he stops short of calling that "tyranny." There are degrees, you know.

So yes, you continue to make dishonest assertions. I expect more honesty of my fellow Texans.

89 posted on 09/24/2001 2:32:53 PM PDT by Storm Orphan
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To: Texaggie79
you violate their right to determine the standards of which they live by.

Not at all! Nothing forces them to smoke the evil weed or quaff the devil's brew.

I suspect you mean their right to determine the standards I live by, but they have no such right and therefore I cannot violate it.

The theory that there's a such a thing as a "positive right", i.e. a right to order other people around, is false. Such rights amount to little enslavements.

90 posted on 09/24/2001 2:33:08 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: Askel5
So we should take away their profiting off of selling death to millions and give that profit to legit businesses that have sway with out government? Great idea.
92 posted on 09/24/2001 2:39:19 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: A.J.Armitage
If you'll consult the list of columns on the profile page, you'll see that this is the first mention I've made of drugs. I can't help it if meditations on tyranny lead naturally to the subject of the war on drugs.

If you'll consult the posting history of the individual to whom you directed this reply you'll see that . . . . . . . . . . uh . . . . . . . . . . . you get my drift. The 13 calories you invested in typing it are lost to you forever. You could have blown your nose twice with that same energy.

93 posted on 09/24/2001 2:43:08 PM PDT by LSJohn
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To: A.J.Armitage
Our war is not against Afghanistan but a rogue government that doesn't even have full control of the country. Peaceful people have nothing what so ever to fear from America, they will be peaceful, we will go in and get the job done, and they will be at least somewhat the better for it.

I do not however agree with our "war on drugs", not because it isn't a lofty idea, but because it is a lofty idea that has been corrupted. It is unreasonable to assume any war on drugs can be won while refusing to control our borders.

What results is a general tyranny in which an honest person caught driving with over 750. dollars is robbed of that cash along with his car, with no recourse or hope of recovering ones property.

The attempt to expand this tyranny by the "Know Your Customer" policy of the IRS was slapped down, now the DEA is attempting to continue this policy. It is tyranny to make everyone guilty until proven innocent. We think we find ourselves on the horns of a delima that doesn't really exist, we can still protect our rights while confiscating the assets of terrorist that have no US citizenship.

94 posted on 09/24/2001 2:43:17 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: Zviadist, another1
FReegards, my friends. Haven't run into either of you for a while. Your reasoned input is needed now more than ever.
95 posted on 09/24/2001 2:45:58 PM PDT by LSJohn
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To: A.J.Armitage
a right to order other people around

Nope it is the right of association. We form communities, and we as the individuals of those communities have the right to determine the type of community we live in, i.e. the standards of which it lives by. You guys like to call them gated communities, however the founders already created the idea with independent states. To take away the people of the state's ability to set their own standards within the bounds of the constitution is wrong.

96 posted on 09/24/2001 2:46:22 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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To: LSJohn
I need to excercise more anyway.
97 posted on 09/24/2001 2:46:26 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: Texaggie79
Nope it is the right of association.

Is anyone proposing to make people associate with drug users?

We form communities, and we as the individuals of those communities have the right to determine the type of community we live in, i.e. the standards of which it lives by. You guys like to call them gated communities, however the founders already created the idea with independent states. To take away the people of the state's ability to set their own standards within the bounds of the constitution is wrong.

The only way such restrictions don't violate property and other rights is through the consent of everyone involved. You could get that in a local community, but not in a whole state. The fact that something isn't prohibited by the Constitution doesn't make it a good idea.

98 posted on 09/24/2001 2:52:12 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: Storm Orphan
No one will think you less of a man.

LOL

I guess that's not the ultimate subtlety, but it's good enough for me.

99 posted on 09/24/2001 2:56:43 PM PDT by LSJohn
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To: A.J.Armitage
but not in a whole state.

Of course you can. You consent by choosing to live there.

100 posted on 09/24/2001 3:04:03 PM PDT by Texaggie79
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