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Lew Rockwell ^ | 9/24/01 | Jeff Elkins

Posted on 09/24/2001 3:10:00 AM PDT by Ada Coddington

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To: Phil V.
Well, we're taking care of it as fast as we can. There are a lot of very emotional people right now expressing a whole lot of outrage (and rightly so). Even so, we've deleted a lot of stuff that crosses over the line and banned several posters. And we will keep doing so until we get it under control. Of course, we will be called censors for our trouble. So be it.
41 posted on 09/24/2001 4:31:45 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Junior
The guy's gotta point, but too many here will never see it

As long as he keeps his hat on ...

42 posted on 09/24/2001 4:34:04 AM PDT by strela
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To: Ada Coddington
bump
43 posted on 09/24/2001 4:38:10 AM PDT by ak47fred
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To: Jim Robinson
All good points Jim - but what happens when the FBI starts no-knocking suspected terrorists; holding them without charging them; not letting them consult with an attorney; and seizing their assests without a conviction? That last point ought to hit close to home; remember how I got flamed for supporting asset forfeiture when I was a newbie? Let's be consistent here. Sure, I don't want any more Americans to die to a terrorist attack; but I don't want this country to become a police state to accomplish that goal. Further, how long until those with critical opinions of Government become "suspected terrorists" and are subject to the treatment described above? Do you really want 65% of FreeRepublic's posting members, including you, to disappear overnight? Think that can't happen?

My concern with a "Homeland Security" cabinet position is that it will morph into a kindler, gentler KGB. Do we really want that? Do we really want to surrender even more of the Constitutional Restrictions on government?

Sure, the adults are in charge now - but what happens after things calm down and the Media goes back to supporting a bunch of Socialists and the next thing you know Hillary and Schumer are President and VP? Do you really think they can be trusted with more power? I don't.

44 posted on 09/24/2001 4:40:01 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: Ada Coddington
Sanctimonious hogwash. Everything old is new again

...He typed, as the smoke from the bong wafted lazily past the monitor.....

45 posted on 09/24/2001 4:41:25 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: Ada Coddington
No, we should not have gotten involved in WWI.

Why not? Would you have rather fought the Germans here?

46 posted on 09/24/2001 4:42:33 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Ada Coddington
Followed the link...

You've reached the alternate home page of Jeff Elkins.
Elkins.org is currently offline: Email to Elkins.org may bounce.
Redirect email to JeffElkins@Earthlink.net

Apparently being a "freelance consultant and writer" doesn't pay enough to cover his ISP bills.

BTW, this is what Jeff Elkins would like you to know he looks like...

Suddenly, it all makes sense, don't it, fellow keyboard warriors?

47 posted on 09/24/2001 4:44:03 AM PDT by bootyist-monk
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To: Jim Robinson
Steadfast, Jim.

I know that I could not even approach 1% of the service to our Nation that you have rendered.

My opinions in certain areas cut counter to the vast majority here at FreeRepublic. For the most part I attempt and generally succeed at civil discussion. The virulent, obscene reactions to dissent weaken FreeRepublic.

God Bless, Jim.

Thy Will be done.

48 posted on 09/24/2001 4:47:48 AM PDT by Phil V.
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To: Jeff Elkins
If you don't like this place, then get lost. It's not like there aren't millions of other places on the net to hang out.
49 posted on 09/24/2001 4:49:52 AM PDT by michigander (Lemming #14058)
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To: Ada Coddington
Well that's true but the fact remains that this is a conservative forum and if a liberal or progressive wants to argue with a conservative, he/she should do so somewhere else.

Also, the reason for the "Loose lips sink ships" policy is because a lot of influential people, including troublemakers read stuff like this on their computer and these messaages are going out all over the world. I don't think you would want information going out about where the troops are moving. I wouldn't want information coming out about the troops here in this area where I live. We need to be very careful about disclosing military information until all of these terrorists are captured.
regards.

50 posted on 09/24/2001 4:51:44 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: Ada Coddington
We are outraged at the people who murdered 7,000 human beings. The lewrockwell.commies are outraged at...us.

See the problem here?

51 posted on 09/24/2001 4:52:54 AM PDT by BurkeanCyclist
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To: Jim Robinson, thread
Speaker Hastert Considering National ID Card

"We are in a new world," Gephardt said. "This event will change the balance between freedom and security."

"We need a national ID card with our photograph and thumbprint digitized and embedded in the ID card," (Oracle CEO Larry) Ellison said in an interview Friday night on the evening news of KPIX-TV in San Francisco.

(PM Tony) Blair has opted for a voluntary scheme in issuing the card, rejecting a compulsory "on demand" card because of connotations with Nazi Germany, where lack of proper identity cards could result in instant arrest, according to reports. However, it will be virtually impossible for anyone to live a normal life without the new ID card in England - possession of a valid card will be necessary for boarding an aircraft, buying gas, opening a bank account, starting a job or claiming government benefits.

In a nationwide poll released Sunday, a stunning 85% of Brits would welcome a national ID card system in the wake of the terrorist attacks on the United States, with an overwhelming majority calling for the cards to be packed with information to clearly identify the holder: These include photograph (97%), date of birth (96%) eye color (92%), a finger print (85%), DNA details (75%), criminal records (74%) and religion (67%).

Let's stop attacking each other and remember all the encroachment's to our freedom that we've bitched about since this forum was created. Let's agree to disagree regarding how best to fight terrorism in our midst while still remaining a free and open society.

Most of all, let's not turn into the statist hypocrites we continually complain about, ok?

52 posted on 09/24/2001 4:53:09 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: knarf
I do see a parallell between WW2 Germany and what seems to be happening here in America.

Traitor. America basher.

53 posted on 09/24/2001 4:54:12 AM PDT by Robert-J
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To: Abundy
It's simple really. We'll deal with it if and when it happens.

There is little point running around screaming what might happen (as far as our rights go) until we have evidence that it is happening.

I think non-citizens are guests here and have fewer "rights". It is not unreasonable to be able to hold someone 48 hours that is a non-citizen that is suspected of crime prior to their leaving the country. The previous rule was 24 hours I believe.

54 posted on 09/24/2001 4:55:22 AM PDT by DB
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To: DB
I think that those who disappeared in the 1940s might disagree that there is no point screaming about it now.

(BTW, I'm not screaming, I'm trying to calmly point out that this forum is in danger of turning into the type of statist hypocrites that we bitched about since it was created.)

55 posted on 09/24/2001 4:58:39 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: Ada Coddington
To win the war effort against terrorists, we're going to have to get tough, and we can't allow the internal enemy to sink our efforts.

Yes, I too, worry about what this might do to us. What if the terrorists force us to use multiple nuclear weapons on their moslem homelands? What if internal terrorists force us to round up arabs and moslems in this country at the slightest offense? What if we have to get tough with liberal and libertarian punks who try to inhibit the war effort? We survived the War Between the States and kept our constitutional republic. I think we'll survive this too. But there will be challenges and tough times ahead.

56 posted on 09/24/2001 5:00:19 AM PDT by Robert-J
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To: E.G.C.
Since when did Conservatives advocate for suspending or shredding our Constitutional Restrictions on Government and liberals advocate limiting it? Excuse me, but the stated purpose of this forum is to roll back government - did I mistakenly wander onto a liberal website?
57 posted on 09/24/2001 5:00:25 AM PDT by Abundy
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To: Jim Robinson
Thank you Jim. And a contribution will be coming your way shortly after I heal up.
58 posted on 09/24/2001 5:01:24 AM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Nuke'm Glowing
Did you just show up here two weeks back, or is that when you changed your screen name? If you were here before then, what was your nick?
59 posted on 09/24/2001 5:01:29 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: Abundy
Britain is a very different place.
60 posted on 09/24/2001 5:03:41 AM PDT by DB
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