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TIME Exclusive: Cropduster Manual Discovered in Suspected Terrorist Hideout
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| September.22,2001
| MASSIMO CALABRESI AND SALLY DONNELLY
Posted on 09/22/2001 3:08:14 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: poweqi
John Gibson is talking about it RIGHT NOW! On FOX.
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posted on
09/22/2001 5:09:12 PM PDT
by
poweqi
To: Smittyat90210
So far, the suggestions to prevent this don't particularly impress me.
One group suggests deporting all arab nationals. That's great. You'll deport all the law-abiding ones and leave the others to blend in while enflaming the situation.
Having our cropdusters be watchful and carry a firearm is fine if we think they could overpower a large group intent on taking the plane anyway. I guess we're also assuming that Bob the cropduster eats, sleeps, and does his grocery shopping in the plane.
Additionally, cropdusters aren't the only way to do this. Any light aircraft will do, and it can be done less effectively in a thousand other ways by anyone sympathetic to their cause, regardless of their citizenship.
I don't think there's any defense once it's gotten to the point where a decision has been made to do it.
The only defense that makes sense to me is to strike those who we know intend to do this.
That means Iraq.
It also means striking bin Laden and all other terrorist groups by whatever means it takes.
If the vials of biological warfare are already in this country with orders to use them, then it will happen. You can't wear a gas mask 24 hours a day.
To: Reagan Man
Yes they do and we've been having a lot of rain so they are plentiful right now. Interestly, I was just east of Houston on Thursday and one passed over me on I-10. Startled me as the shadow came across my car then I heard the engine. They are back up spraying the skeeters in our area, usually in the early morning at daybreak.
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posted on
09/22/2001 5:10:04 PM PDT
by
deport
To: mommadooo3
Maybe we should keep a tab on where the Bush twins are..as a meter to how emminent one of these attacks are! God knows they aren´t going to let us know until the first small pox boils start popping up....
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posted on
09/22/2001 5:10:22 PM PDT
by
riri
To: Linda
To italicize a quote use <i> in front of the quote and </i> behind the quote.
To: Linda
Sorry. spunkets beat me to it.
To: Dog Gone
It would only take one lone lunatic to infect himself with small pox..show up to work before the rash appears, infect coworkers...you get the picture.
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posted on
09/22/2001 5:12:39 PM PDT
by
riri
To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Thank you. you are a sweetie.
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posted on
09/22/2001 5:14:02 PM PDT
by
Linda
To: L`enn
now, contemplate this. world communists have been using islamic nut cases similarly to the usa for probably longer. what better way to dismantle the usa than for a chinese provacateur or cell to scatter throughout america and use the chemical/bio warfare that *we know* some communist nations have. if you thought the nation was almost paralyzed a week ago, when a 1/4 or a million or 5 or 10 million americans are killed or injured, the nation is reeling, and the muslims get the blame and take the nuclear glow, while the chinese finish us off. now, tell me that making our statement *LOUD AND CLEAR NOW* is not paramount to our nation's survival. as it stands now, i am advising the younger parents of our clan to find another *non-targeted* nation to take up residence and raise their children in, and lose the us citizenship. it's a dog with fleas around the world, more than ever.
To: Linda
When you figure out how to italicsize(sp) someone's post .....let ME know!
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posted on
09/22/2001 5:15:15 PM PDT
by
poweqi
To: Nita Nupress
Here's a poser. HOW would one be able to tell there was a cropduster that was up to no good? And if one suspects that it IS up to no good, what should be done...call dial-a-prayer? Or play 'citizen soldier'?
Remember those phony scenarios they had kids do?...'if you were in the middle of an ocean, and the boat was sinking, your father/your husband can't swim, you CAN but you can only save ONE of them, who would you choose'??? The above questions go along those same lines. What WOULD 'you' do???
To: Straight Vermonter
I had another thought when I first heard of the Fed's interest in crop dusters. Fuel Air Explosives. FAEs are awesome weapons that work by using a gas in aerosol form and igniting it. A crop duster would be a low cost (albeit dangerous, but hey they don't care) way to produce an FAE type explosion. Imagine a crop duster swooping into a sports stadium, disbursing this gas, then igniting it by simply using a flare or something. Yikes. Actually, that wouldn't work.
Not only do FAE bombs require a carefully calibrated mix of fuel and air to work properly (which would be impossible to achieve with a spray from a flying plane), but simply setting them off with a "flare" wouldn't work either. In order to achieve the "big boom" effect, the fuel-air cloud needs to be ignited by a high explosive -- it's the self-propagating high-speed wave front that makes an FAE bomb so devastating. If you just light it off with a match, you'll get a big fire and the kind of "whoomp" you get from gasoline vapors when you toss a match into a puddle of gasoline, but not the truly explosiving, shattering explosion that results from a traveling wave front of ignition.
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posted on
09/22/2001 5:17:13 PM PDT
by
Dan Day
To: FITZ
um, it's time to start shooting people breaching our borders on sight. that will slow it down considerably. the nation of laws has become soft towards foreigners violating us.
To: Anonymous2
while the chinese finish us off If I was in the Chinese gummint, I would ask my buddies why in the h*ll they would want to smash our biggest source of dollars.
Now if this is a WILDCAT group, NOT associated with the Chinese gummint, then all bets are off.
To: sidebar moderator, Dog Gone
And one more thing...
By pulling #159, you may keep someone from being able to prevent a "Delta Gas Corp." truck in Braintree, Ma from doing something suspicious. IMO, this kind of stuff should be shouted from the rooftops and reported on TV.
The politicians are trying to be PC about this, but they're gonna have to forget that idiocy. This is war and it's a war on our homefront. We need all the eyes and ears we can get to be monitoring what's happening in their neighborhood so they can help out the FBI by reporting suspicious activity.
Between that and Bob's .45, that may be the best way to prevent this type of stuff until it's under control.
LOL. I see Chris Matthews must agree with me. He's talking about the cropduster material and has a lady from Time on right now.
To: poweqi
I think deporting all illegals is certainly in order, as is an immediate immigration moratorium for the next few months at least.
To: riri
Good point. But they'll probably have The Twins wrapped so tight, they won't be seen.
I heard that smallpox used to be avoided by getting chummy with a cow that had cowpox. That somehow, the cowpox was survivable, yet gave you immunity to smallpox.
To: Dan Day
Would seem easier just to drop a real FAE. How heavy are those things? How big a gun is needed to shoot one (or are they self-launching?)
To: cibco
i speak 3 different chinese dialects and like to eat chinese food. every time i go in, i sit closest to the table where the owners are sitting and listen intently to pick up *anything* that perculates my curiosity, unbeknownst to them. i have *beyond a shadow of a doubt* identified 3 local chinese restaraunts owned by proud chinese communists, but each time i ask them, in english, what they think about the chinese central committee, they say *communism bad!*. we had better tighten up our policies regarding who gets in and why and start ejecting people for later invitation possibly or we are going to get it from several international directions, from within.
To: Reagan Man
This is what I've been wondering and fretting about since 9/11. If I were a terrorist and wanted to bring an enemy to his knees, I would go after food and water. The only thing that may save us from this is the difficulty for the perpetrator to die in the process of delivering the agent of death and thus receive his "72 virgins."
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posted on
09/22/2001 5:24:26 PM PDT
by
Rockitz
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