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1 posted on 09/18/2001 4:50:17 AM PDT by Liz
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Second Guesses don't matter, but if I could I would vent my frustration by digging up Frank Church's body, hanging it from the nearest tree, and then let the donbgs chomp on the bones.
64 posted on 09/18/2001 1:35:43 PM PDT by RobbyS
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Here we see the World's Greatest Excuse in play:
Whatever evil the CIA may have done was the result of orders from above.
Those orders are classified or deniable, of course.

But the most important thing is the disregard of individual common sense and "agency" -- the concept of delegation, encompassing both authority and responsibility.

This was also the excuse at Nuremburg.

73 posted on 09/18/2001 4:26:57 PM PDT by bvw
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bump
78 posted on 04/30/2002 8:57:09 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa
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What no one seems to mention is another angle that I think might be relevant. If one looks back over the eight years of that travesty known as the Clinton presidency, one notes that the people often labelled as 'enemies' were domestic ( Waco, Ruby Ridge, Cubans in Florida, 'tax protestors', 'constitutionalists' ).

I am of the opinion that Clinton and company were so busy being worried about the typical American as an enemy, that policy and priorities were directed that way, and our foreign threats ( which in their mindset, IMHO, never existed, but needed only understanding and 'engagement' ) were largely ignored.

79 posted on 04/30/2002 9:18:12 AM PDT by Tench_Coxe
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Bump for a GOOD read!
83 posted on 05/29/2002 7:25:44 PM PDT by Howlin
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BINGO:

...the American news media, does not love the CIA in general and the field spooks in particular. As recently as two weeks ago, CBS's "60 Minutes" regaled us with the hoary old chestnut about how the CIA undermined the leftist government of Chile three decades ago. The effect of this media coverage, always solicitous to leftist governments, is to brand the CIA an antiprogressive agency that does Bad Things.

89 posted on 04/14/2004 8:13:47 AM PDT by GOPJ (NFL Owners: Grown men don't watch hollywood peep shows with wives and children.)
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That swamp philosopher, Pogo, was correct!
90 posted on 04/14/2004 8:21:27 AM PDT by verity (A Vote for Kerry is a vote for National Suicide!)
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BUMP!
91 posted on 04/14/2004 8:22:22 AM PDT by jmstein7 (Real Men Don't Need Chunks of Government Metal on Their Chests to be Heroes)
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btt
92 posted on 04/14/2004 8:23:10 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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bumperoonie
93 posted on 04/14/2004 8:23:53 AM PDT by moehoward
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Gorelick bump
101 posted on 04/20/2004 7:29:01 AM PDT by prognostigaator
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TOM CLANCY: First we crippled the CIA. Then we blamed it.

No Tom. That is extremely insulting. Don't lump me among the brainless, please.

TOM CLANCY: First we they crippled the CIA. Then we they blamed it.

There. All fixed.

102 posted on 04/20/2004 7:45:43 AM PDT by Publius6961 (.)
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...didn't torch torricelli "out" an agent once with info given to him by Bianca? ..(which I believe lead to the deaths of others)
104 posted on 04/21/2004 1:49:39 AM PDT by Doogle (....and the truth will set you free....depends on what you mean by truth)
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It wasn't just the CIA, it was Defense intelligence and counterespionage and counterterrorism as well. Gorelick was the continuantion of the trend that began under Carter of rewarding a weird collection of feminists and nutty envirowackos with high positions and no one dare say that people such as Maddy, may have been firsts, but they were incompetent. Can one think of an AG, for example, in our history less competent than Reno? Gorelick's experience was largely as a local bar politico, and yet she wound up virtually running the place while Reno spent all her time when she could focus protecting the Chinese Carry Out.
106 posted on 04/21/2004 3:43:42 AM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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